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Discussion in 'Vintage SG' started by kolhauszer, May 11, 2014.

  1. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Well-Known Member

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    Ahem..there's a lot of misinformation on that site..FYI...
    Also, not to be harsh, but these Specials aren't at all rare..or particularly more valuable...check this..1975 Gibson SG Special 4580228742921 | eBay
    I really think you got your facts a lil jumbled..again, not trying to be harsh, but facts are facts. CMI was the parent company to Gibson..Norlin acquired CMI (with Gibson) in Dec of 1969..CMI still oversaw Gibson until 1974..the "Norlin" changes didn't all happen that day either...
    Also, saying the SG didn't change except to go to a 3 piece body is, well..wrong..there were DRASTIC changes..
    Body size changed.
    Cutaway bevels disappeared, and returned much shallower.
    Neck set in deeper.
    Pickup location changed..TWICE..
    Different bridges used..
    and much more...read this..please..http://www.everythingsg.com/forum/gibson-sg/23055-70-sg-standard-73-sg-standard-timeline.html
    And again..sorry for the reality check, but as anyone here will tell you, I take Norlin SGs VERY seriously..and own two myself and have owned many fine examples from that timeframe..here's my '72 SGI and '76 SG Standard.
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    thanks kris..I was very happy when this info came to my ears and my eyes..but yes a reality check is useful when the wolves are at the door
    the info on top of the forum was what was given to me by the rep at gibsons in Nashville,i called this afternoon.it wasn't by my own brain lol..and the value just now was from what I read on that site..crap ..now as to the requests I tried using my paint app on my laptop to see if I can reduce the sizes,,so this will be just a test
     

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    hey it worked...that's the picture of the taylor t5 the tele style..and the strat style..the tele styleneck was changed to the same elemented and age cooked neck as the strat has now...the rest will come tomorrow people promiss..

    kriss from now on screw the websites..im listening to you..but after all im still a bew guy in the guitar world,,just rather obsessed with finding out all I can with the sweetest guitar in the world..all my thanks
     
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    kris..honestly now..is 2200 dollars Canadian for my 73 Gibson sg special to much to have paid for..
    is 1495 American for that 75 special a conservative price or would that be more or less what the seller is asking for.
    I figure that 1500 American would be like 1650 Canadian more or less,and figuring out that mine is twp years older,in very great condition,the neck perfectly balanced and straight,and still have the original brown alligator case,,those would be things to consider as well im assuming
    id love to know
     
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    the pic of my sg
     

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    my prs 2007 single trem,,not se edition..
     

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    and lastly my 68 reissue 2008...all were purchased and all were sold except the hand crafter tele and strat,,in trying to find my voice before getting the sg..im getting better at the reducing stuff lol..

    night
     

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    Might've been a tad high, but looks to be a nice one!
    Again, wasn't trying to be an a-hole bro..welcome aboard! Lots of good info on this site..Any way I can help, you got it!:thumb:
     
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    thanks amigo..no aholeisms involved amigo,,but seeing that I didn't pay way over then im still happy ..
    now for a major one--
    she will indeed be one of a kind after I tell you this..
    I have a friend who not only restores guitars,but also modifies them to incredible beauties,,
    the inlays on my no name fender style will be changed to a kind of prs bird in flight pattern..with 50,000 year old fossilized mammoth ivory..the real thing..
    as the story goes..many years ago when ivory was legal and in style,explorers in Siberia found a mammoth burial ground..they paid the government for the rights to ownership and kept the tusks..they made a lucritife business out of this and shipped some all over the world..but as for today,its illegal..but my friend now is the only luthier in Canada to work with such ingrediants..so im planning to modify my white strat but...if I was to make the trap inlays on my sg into authentic ivory,would this ruin her or improve her..i know I wish to do away with her less then slight imperfections but why not make her one of a kind as well...what do you think

    ill check back with my computer at work in the next few hours to see if you've written back,,no rush or worries though..all my thanks
     
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    I'd leave the SG alone myself. Mammoth tusk would be cool to use on a new build but I'd leave the SG as is.
    I don't know that mammoth ivory is illegal as I know of an artist in Vancouver who makes and sells jewelry from it. I also know a guy out here who bought some for making guitar nuts with no problems. I think it has to come from a proven source. How can the govt. say it's bad to use when the animal went extinct over 5000 years ago? It's not like we are endangering the wooly mammoth is it?
    By the way I did see a '74 special in the music store here in Kelowna for about $1400 and there was a '74 Standard for $1500. If I had the money I would have grabbed the Standard to replace my '74 that got stolen (as soon as I walked in and saw it I grabbed it off the rack and looked at the serial number.They're lucky it wasn't "Bertha"!:)).
    Kris seems to have a vast library of info on the Norlin era Gibsons and the passion for the research on the subject so I would consider him our resident Norlin expert.
    Now... MORE PICTURES!
     
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    Thanks Shred..yeah, I probably wouldn't go the inlay route myself..too much of a purist..also, would prolly make everyone sh*t themselves if I told ya how little I paid for my '76 Standard.:naughty:
     
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    I hear ya Kris. My '74 Standard was bought when I was 18 (I'll be 43 in less than a month) and I paid $465.00 Canadian for it from the original owner. I also had the chance to buy a '65 Standard at the time for $650.00 but Mom talked me out of it. Thanks Mom! I still give her a light hearted rough time about that one!
     
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    heres some advice..never eat wendys on hot day youll regret it lol..

    on my lunch break,using my boss secretarys laptop for a few moments and wanted to catch up..

    the way it was explained to me is that not only authentic ivory is forbidden not just antique ivory is as well but even fossilized if you can imagine that also is..and you guys are right it makes no sense to illegalize something from an animal that's been extinct even before time began..i think you can own ivory but not create things out of ivory,so the ones who do it has to do it on the q.t...maybe I should stop listening to second hand words from the people I deal with lol..or at least stop sharing my research it makes me feel like a tool lol lol..but yes youre right,ive been told by the d.r..Kelly welley..to not change the inlays at all...not just that but never ever change the life of a vintage..especially the impurities,,à
    the kincks and tiny scrapings are what gives these beauties its life..its age..as long as the neck isn't cracked or broken or even if she has been repaired to a shine..even when shes been broken and repaired she will never be the same,,so as long as no..how can I say..structural damage has been caused..leave the impurities alone..which I will..

    the white strat though is a different story,,her I love too but I only paid a few bucks,,sure the wood is elemented and aged cooked,,but its no major thing if I change the blackened dotted inlays to the birds in flight motif..

    as for the pics shred..i can send you pictures of me in a speedo at the beach last summer .youll get a kick out of it,youll see pictures of kids with shocked faces,tears running down their faces,pointing and screaming..but I don't have any more guitars to show..i did a cool job I think on the picture reductions tho..

    im hauling a 40 footer to Kingston tonight so I might not be on till late aside from my next break in a few hours..so if we don't jam then ill check back ontonight or so..

    keep rocking
     
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    Very nice.
     
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    hey fellow jammerheads,,new and pro..
    I downloaded the 14th edition of the official vintage guitar price guide last night..sweet crap theres even a spiderman and a dale ernheart les paul..love it.

    well im going to try to paste and post the values of the sgs..and id love it if people can tell me if they agree with the page..now my pot number is 1347344..but the mini humbuckers according to the one who sold it to me,and the d.r Kelly..are inside mine,but according to the book they stopped making minis in 1972..so im confused a bit..

    1959-1978-present. Rounded double-cut for ’59-’60, switched to SG body early-’61, 2 P-90s ’59-’71, 2 mini-humbuckers ’72-’78, 2 regular humbuckers on current version, reintroduced in ’85. Prices are for an unfaded finish, cherry finish faded to brown reduces the value by 20%-30%. Instruments with stop tailpieces vs. Maestro tailpiece have the same value. 1959 Cherry, slab, high neck pickup $5,500 $6,900 1960 Cherry, slab, lower neck pickup $5,500 $6,900 1961 Cherry, SG body $4,100 $5,100 1962 Cherry $4,000 $5,000 1962 White $4,900 $6,100 1963 Cherry $4,000 $5,000 1963 White $4,900 $6,100 1964 Cherry $4,000 $5,000 1964 White $4,900 $6,100 1965 Cherry $3,200 $4,000 1965 White $4,100 $5,200 1966 Cherry, large ’guard $2,800 $3,500 1966 Cherry, small ’guard $3,000 $3,700 1966 White, large ’guard $3,200 $4,000 1966 White, small ’guard $3,600 $4,500 1967 Cherry $2,800 $3,500 1967 White $3,200 $4,000 1968-1969 Cherry $2,800 $3,500 1970-1971 Cherry $2,500 $3,100 1972-1978 Cherry or walnut $1,375 $1,700 SG Special (redesigned) 1985-1996. In mid-’85 Gibson introduced a redesigned SG Special model with 2 control knobs (1 pickup) or 3 control knobs (2 pickups) versus the previously used 4-knob layout. 1

    its much more organized on the real book
     
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    Your pot numbers are very late in the year..very possible you Special is in fact an early '74...there was a 5-8 week lead time fron when the date was stamped on the pot case to final assembly..this is where a lot of confusion comes in..so many guitars are mis-dated..people see the year and just go with that..but the week is of utmost importance..
    That said, a '74 is just as cool as a '73 in my book..the price guide is almost right on, but it seems ebay sets the price standards somewhat..
     
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    excellent..so by this information kris,seeing that my serial code on my sg is 182247,and the Gibson decoder says it was made in either 70 71 0r 72,do I take this to mean that the serial code is off..and the mini humbuckers are confusing me..
    from the description that vintage offers,the 73 was made with blocked inlays but the mini hummers were discontinued in 72..and from the description of the minis they are exactly like mine..they were only offered in 7e and 4 ive been told..but according to Gibson they stopped in 71..lost in translation lol..

    but that is excellent..
    a friend told me from his 2013 BLUEBOOK PRICE GUIDE..which to me is extrememly non specific and gerneralized,he told me mine was valued at between 800 to 1100..but I couldn't accept that,soooo when I read that mine was between 1375 and 1700.(us)I felt better..assuming that the 78s are the least valuable and the 73s are more..im suspecting that my 73 0r early 4 is worth from 1700 to 1650..today that would mean about 1900 Canadian..so your right on the dead bang too kris,i did over pay for my sg but by about 300 Canadian..i don't feel as crappy now..but still considering how comfortable my hands feel with her I probably would have investigated more first before buying her..but id still have bought her..

    so do you feel that mine are minis,or did they really discontinue them in 71
     
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    Well, using serial numbers to date Gibsons from that timeframe is not at all reliable...I dont even bother to look em up post '68...as they are duplicated and all over the place...pot codes (if original pots) at least get you within a couple months of the date..
    The part that confuses me most is whoever said mini hums were discontinued in '72 is flat out wrong...P-90 single coils were at that time! The mini hums were the P90s replacement..used until 77 or so then the Special had full size humbuckers, a dot inlaid neck, and only Gibson inlay on headstock..(I had a black '78 Special..)
    The 2013 price guide is spot on..I wouldn't worry about paying a lil extra if you like it..unlessyou were trying to flip it...but hope that's not the case.
     
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    thanks for the info on the hummers..


    actually when I first heard from my friends bluebook that mine was only worth 800 to 1100 that's when I was really out of it..i loved her feel and sound very much but now that I know what shes worth,,and considering that now, being 2014im assuming that shes worth a little more,,no I wont sell her or trade her or ebay her..in fact I was told that the resale value will go down if the imperfections are touched up..so I stopped thinking that way..but now that I know I will be keeping her,i think I will go see the d.r and have her restored..i saw a example on the internet of a broken headstock,and I mean she was really wounded,in fact according to reports,when she was repaired she broke again at the same spot..she was taken to a specialist and now you don't even see the slightest signs of any dowels,any cracks,no signs of wear nothing..its as if she was never broken..the point being is that this man loved his guitar and was never planning to sell her..

    and seeing I feel the same way about mine as he felt about his..yes,i think I will have her back to original condition..sure I see peoples point when they say never to touch the impurities,but seeing that she wont be sold then I will..for my own feelings.
     
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