Help me answer a 20 year question.

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  1. azman42

    azman42 New Member

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    Hello,

    This is my first post after hours of looking at many of your photos and drooling over some classic SG's.

    Before I ask my question let me give you a back story. It's 1999 and my Dad buys the AC/DC Live at Donington CD and I'm instantly hooked. Hearing Back in Black and Thunderstruck for the first time is when I knew I wanted to play guitar. After begging my parents for months they gifted me a guitar and signed me up for weekly guitar lessons and I was in heaven. I told my teacher I wanted to sound like AC/DC, he replied: "Ohhh you like Angus do ya?" And we were off learning licks. A few years go by and every week I would walk into the shop for lessons looking at the SG's when one day I see the Angus Young Signature SG with the Vibrola tailpiece. It was on the top row, I was so intimidated to ask to play it at the time. For weeks I saw that SG hanging there until one day it was gone... And I thought.. That's it I missed my chance.

    Since then Guitar has taken a back seat to other hobbies until more recently. And now that I'm not a 9-year-old kid and have a job and some disposable income, I have been thinking about that SG that got away. I have searched online and found some for decent prices, but have been hard-pressed to find any actual "Reviews" on the actual Model.

    My question to all of you is this.

    Is it worth getting the Angus Young Signature Modle? Or is it my 9-year-old self that still can't get over it.

    Do any of you actually have hands-on experience with this particular model?

    Is there a specific year I should look for or avoid?

    Should I just get a 2019 SG standard and call it good?

    Any feedback is much appreciated.

    Also if this is the wrong place to post such a question or if this has been asked already , I'm Sorry

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  2. GrumpyOldDBA

    GrumpyOldDBA Well-Known Member

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    Hey welcome to the forum!

    Dang this post will start a lot of responses!

    I for one believe gibson has been making some great guitars in the last several years.

    I highly recommend the 2017 SG standards ( 57 pickups ) and the 2018 SG HP and/or HP2 model as maybe some of the best ever.

    Lots of people also loving the new 2019 sg models!

    But theres nothing wrong with hunting down a specific guitar if that will get you playing!

    Epiphone also has some great SG choices.
     
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    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to the place. Find yourself a nice SG and start playing it! A friend o mine has a 2013 SG original with full Maestro lyre vibrola that is a fabulous guitar, looks and play-ability. I think he paid around $2200 USD . While I don't subscribe to the "Good years, Bad years" thinking I own a number of 2013 Gibsons that are dead on perfect guitars. My two 2003 Faded Special SGs are killer.
     
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    Agreed. The 2013 SG Original that I have is spot on. I also played a 2013 Standard for a short time but let it go back. I regret that, I should have kept it.

    Also, there are two basic different neck sizes with the SGs (with variance between them), although as always, there are a few exceptions (like the wide 2015 necks). Try a couple to make sure you are comfortable with them. Luckily I get along with all of them for the most part. Always thought I leaned towards the thin necks, but I have a couple of 2005 Standards with the thicker necks that I won't ever part with, go figure

    Good luck on the hunt!

    Oh, and here's peak of the 2013 SG Original referrred to above. :D

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  5. azman42

    azman42 New Member

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    Thanks for the response!
     
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    Thanks for the response! I just think there is something about the was the SG with vibrola looks. I tend to get really into my hobbies and I have a feeling that an original 69-70 or the Angus Young SG will be a part of the collection with a SG standard as well. Really happy to have found this Forum, I have been reading all day!
     
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  7. azman42

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    Absolutely Beautiful, I dunno what it is but my heart is partial to the Full Pick Guard.
     
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    I understand, my latest acquisition has the batwing pickguard, a 2005 SG Standard , and what a beauty she turned out to be.

    Or you could do like most of us around here and get one of each! :D

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  9. azman42

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    I have a feeling that is what is going to happen haha
     
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  10. PL29

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    Nothing like fulfilling your childhood dreams before arthritis gets ya. Go for the Angus Young!

    Though it's important to note the AY in particular has an unusually narrow and thin neck, so it won't feel like a typical SG at all. The Fender Jag-Stang and some Norlin Gibsons are the only other guitars I can think of that also has a nut width smaller than 40mm
     
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    As stated above, I'm sure these can be an excellent model for some, but you need to consider if you could live with the tiny nut width on this Sig model. Really not very good for a guy with normal or large hands IMO.
     
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    This is the info/data I need! Thank you for the heads up. I'm a full foot taller than Angus hahaha never really thought about it. I didn't know they made changes to his signature model but makes sense.
     
  13. fos1

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    I once had an early 70s Cherry Red Gibson SG purchased new at the time. I loved that guitar. I lost it in 1990.

    Fast forward to today, I still believe a Gibson SG is the best playing and best sounding of any electric guitar.

    Get an SG and go forth an play.

    Jeff
     
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  14. DaveSG

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    First of all, welcome to the addiction:)

    Second, best thing I can tell you is to try out as many guitars as you can before you buy so you know what you like and what you don't. I remember dropping by a guitar store a few years back (I think it was Wildwood - I'm in CO) and they had the Angus Young sig on the wall. Small nut and very thin neck. Neck sizes and widths are a very personal thing. Find what you like and then find the guitars that have it. Half the fun is the research!

    The next best thing I can recommend is to try before you buy. My most expensive SG purchase was a 2007 SG/LP VOS reissue. I was trying to capture the sound of a 2005-2006 62 Reissue that I picked up on the cheap (this was a Guitar Center exclusive - denoted by its 57 classic pickups, bigger neck, and grover tuners). I stupidly sold that guitar which was the best sounding SG I ever had but bought it at clearance because the truss rod adjustment was wonky and nobody would touch it.

    That 2007 Reissue I picked up was the worst sounding SG I've ever had, and I've had a few.

    It's hard to go wrong with the '67-'71 Standards if you like small necks. SG Standards from the Early 2000s up until about 2008 usually had medium/large rounded necks. They started thinning out around the end of the decade. The mid-2000s SG classics (P90s) had awesome, full necks. The 2016 SG Standards (batwing guard) had a nice full neck reminiscent of the classics. The 2013+ SG Standards (small guard) had that typical .79-.81 size slim taper neck, but watch out for shallow neck angles - the few I saw had their bridges slammed with not-so-low action.

    I haven't had much experience with any of the newer SGs, but the newest ones with the trems (sideways and vibrola) tempt me but the thin necks keep me away.

    If you can't get the Angus Young sig out of your mind, get that just for kicks and fulfill your dream! If you like that style but don't like the narrower nut, try out the SG Original (and Original II - darker finish) as something with a wider neck. Also, I think around early 2000s the 61 reissue had a limited run with vibrolas. If you like the large guard and can swing more $$, the Robby Krieger SG limited edition is the closest thing to the original late 60s large guard...but then you are in vintage $$ territory anyway.

    There are lots of ways to get the Angus sound. Check out the work that Solo Dallas has done on this front. I've had good luck with most SGs that come with 57 classics, and the Angus Young signature pickups also get you easily into that territory. I think the guitar is important, but more important is the amp, for sure. In any case, if you haven't seen it yet, watch the Angus Young rig rundown on youtube, or hit up Solo Dallas' personal visit to Angus' studio to read more on his gear, guitars, and other stuff around this topic.

    Out of all the SGs I've owned (15+), my current favorite is a lowly Epiphone G-400 korina with a 57 classic thrown in the bridge. It is completely magical and amazingly versatile, and gets me the closest to that '05 GC 62 RI. Go figure!

    Have fun!
     
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  15. DaveSG

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    I second this!:thumb::thumb::thumb:
     
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    OK, I can't help you with the specific SG model you are seeking - an Angus Sig model - but I think I can help you with wanting and buying a sig model.

    I have a few signature model guitars. The ones pictured below - three John Lennon signature models, a Joe Strummer signature Telecaster, and a Billy Duffy White Falcon - were the stuff that my nine year old mind dreamed of (actually I was closer to 29 when I started to dream of these guitar...a nine year old has really no way of affording them...can't even afford a tin full of guitar picks at that age). Well, the dreams became reality when I obtained them.

    But dreams are sometimes better kept as dreams. Oh, I love my two Lennon Casinos and my Joe Strummer Telecaster is the most badass, rocking guitar I own...but it really was the little John Lennon Rickenbacker 325 and the White Falcon that I saw in The Cult that I always most wanted. Both expensive as hell, but I took my time saving (years) and finally, "Wow, I have my dream signature guitars!"

    But….

    1) when I play the Ric 325 and the Gretsch White Falcon I don't instantly sound like John Lennon nor Billy Duffy. To think that a signature model will get you to that player's tone is wrong to think. Hell, I have John's guitar, John's amp, Duffy's guitar, Duffy's amp...but it is still me I sound like. I thought if I get those guys' guitars I will get that John Beatles sound and the early Cult sound. But, no. Close, yes, but exact no way.

    2) both are incredibly difficult guitars to play. Angus's sig model might have dimensions, neck size, body bevels, whatever that you might not find suits you. The John Lennon 325 Rickenbacker somehow suited John, but, man, I find it hard to play. Same with the Falcon. It is HUGE! (And so darn gorgeous I rarely want to play it in fear of damaging it.)

    My point is be careful what you wish for. You might hit pay-dirt - as I did with my Strummer Telecaster and my Lennon Casinos - or you might scratch your head and say, "Man that dream cost me a hell of a lot of money and it didn't fulfill my expectations." Perhaps if you lower your expectations regarding the Angus model, you might be extremely happy with one. Or perhaps the Angus model may be best kept in your dreams and a less expensive Standard SG might be perfectly fine for you.

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  17. azman42

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    Awesome Response! Thank you so much for sharing
     
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    I, like you, got instantly hooked on Angus the first time “saw” him. The band sounds massive, but at the heart of it all they are the simplest of men, and that’s the irony of it all. But when virgin eyes first witness that tiny explosive man with endless energy it really does capture you. I would love to have seen my face when I first saw him. All these years later and I still can’t wrap my head around the technique/energy combo he can put on night after night. Unreal.

    Back in 2002 I was hunting for my first real guitar. And SG no doubt. I had a cheap samick I learned on, but now it was time for the real deal. I studied the Gibson catalogue hard, what to get, what to get...? Friends suggested the Les Paul, almost unanimously. But I was hooked, SG or Bust.

    You could buy the first generation Angus Young signature at that time. The one your hooked on. I wanted it, but a close musician friend talked me into the 61 reissue. His advise was, so you see Angus playing a re-issue? The answer was no, Angus was playing vintage gear (well, once close to new when he bought it I am sure). But the point was, don’t be a fan boy, buy the best guitar you can for your money. And I think I still agree that was the 61 reissue at that time. But I do still love that first generation Angus Signature. Never had the joy of playing one.

    Fast forward to 2009. Gibson finally comes to their senses and makes the Angus guitar every die hard Angus fan has been waiting for. The lightening bolt SG in that beautiful brown/cherry, wide headstock, ebony board, mother of pearl. OMG, it’s stunning. Fan boy or not, I could not resist. This was the guitar that was truly 100% Angus to me. This was the holy grail. I couldn’t resist. I barely tracked one down when they came out new. Instantly sold out. I am not talking the mass produced USA line up with the wrong ratio lightening bolts and wrong color/pickgurd combo. No I am talking the real McCoy Gibson Custom Shop. I pulled out the wallet and bought it. It hurt, financially, but the feeling for liking that childhood dream was so beautiful. I felt like it wasn’t even mine, like I had something I shouldn’t. Oh, it plays like butter. Absolutely no regrets! If it makes you happy to your core, do it.

    Oh, and as for that original 61 reissue I bought. I showed it to Angus one day, and he and the boys signed it. Talk about dreams coming true.
     
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    I, like you, got instantly hooked on Angus the first time “saw” him. The band sounds massive, but at the heart of it all they are the simplest of men, and that’s the irony of it all. But when virgin eyes first witness that tiny explosive man with endless energy it really does capture you. I would love to have seen my face when I first saw him. All these years later and I still can’t wrap my head around the technique/energy combo he can put on night after night. Unreal.

    Back in 2002 I was hunting for my first real guitar. And SG no doubt. I had a cheap samick I learned on, but now it was time for the real deal. I studied the Gibson catalogue hard, what to get, what to get...? Friends suggested the Les Paul, almost unanimously. But I was hooked, SG or Bust.

    You could buy the first generation Angus Young signature at that time. The one your hooked on. I wanted it, but a close musician friend talked me into the 61 reissue. His advise was, so you see Angus playing a re-issue? The answer was no, Angus was playing vintage gear (well, once close to new when he bought it I am sure). But the point was, don’t be a fan boy, buy the best guitar you can for your money. And I think I still agree that was the 61 reissue at that time. But I do still love that first generation Angus Signature. Never had the joy of playing one.

    Fast forward to 2009. Gibson finally comes to their senses and makes the Angus guitar every die hard Angus fan has been waiting for. The lightening bolt SG in that beautiful brown/cherry, wide headstock, ebony board, mother of pearl. OMG, it’s stunning. Fan boy or not, I could not resist. This was the guitar that was truly 100% Angus to me. This was the holy grail. I couldn’t resist. I barely tracked one down when they came out new. Instantly sold out. I am not talking the mass produced USA line up with the wrong ratio lightening bolts and wrong color/pickgurd combo. No I am talking the real McCoy Gibson Custom Shop. I pulled out the wallet and bought it. It hurt, financially, but the feeling for liking that childhood dream was so beautiful. I felt like it wasn’t even mine, like I had something I shouldn’t. Oh, it plays like butter. Absolutely no regrets! If it makes you happy to your core, do it.

    Oh, and as for that original 61 reissue I bought. I showed it to Angus one day, and he and the boys signed it. Talk about dreams coming true.
     
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  20. Neil from Ottawa Canada

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    Have fun, shop around if you can. I agree that the 57 pickups are great for lots of tones including Mr. Young's. I've played guitars with nut width from 1.65 to 2.00 inches. Got used to all of them. Tend to like wider so I bought a 2015 SG standard. Great guitar! You might want to replace the robot tuners though. I did. Mine is a keeper along with my other 9 guitars. In fact it's possibly my favourite guitar. Welcome to the forum. I wish it would gain more members...
     

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