Intellectuals

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Should intellectuals be a protected class like handicapped people or ethnic minoritie?

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  1. Biddlin

    Biddlin Well-Known Member

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    Should those who engage in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, who may also propose solutions for the normative problems of society, be a protected class?
     
  2. pancake81

    pancake81 Well-Known Member

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    Loaded question, that’s for sure. I classify myself as someone in that category, both through university education, but more so an outlook and engaged approach on life, country, policies and my contributing to my community. There really is no answer that will not create tension, arguments or dismissiveness.

    it seems there are just as many people engaged in conversation and opinions on matters these days. Likely due to the ease of social platforms etc. However, less and less people contributing to society and communities in a positive way. Everyone can spout off online, but who helps there neighbor, who donates time, who contributes positively.

    To be an intellect is to be forward thinking. So many folks are engaged. But with a short attention span, in a negative way and not in person.

    I hesitate to answer these political and heated questions, but you must have baited me at the right time.

    ymmv.
     
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    I didn't know I was part of a protected class....
     
  4. Bob Womack

    Bob Womack Well-Known Member

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    I'm perfectly fine without a reserved parking place at Walmart, thank you.

    Bob
     
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    intellectuals are no better than anyone, and usually they are much worse.
     
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    I don't understand. Can you explain? This was obviously important as you posted in huge type.
     
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    Neither are disabled people. We offer special protection because they are vulnerable and deserving of the same rights and access as others.
    How so?
     
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    Jumpsuit Pete New Member

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    "Puh-lease check out some of my songs" We've already heard your songs
     
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    Well, thanks then. I'm always grateful if anyone listens to anything I've done.
     
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    Totally agree on disabled people, I didn't mention them because YES they deserve protection. There are historical intellectuals and current intellectuals. My response is based on current intellectuals, and it is my opinion. The OP does not specify who he thought were intellectuals.
     
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    I'm more interested in why intellectuals are worse.
     
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  12. Biddlin

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    "those who engage in critical thinking, research, and reflection about the reality of society, who may also propose solutions for the normative problems of society..."
     
  13. donepearce

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    Intellectuals didn't (couldn't) exist until humans had progressed to the point where every waking moment wasn't about staying alive. Then some individuals could be spared from the hunting and gathering to think more abstractly and improve life for the whole group. No doubt there were those among the hunter-gatherers who lacked the ability to mentally link the intellectuals to the improvements they enjoyed, and simply resented them for not going hunting. Those individuals still exist and won't go away any time soon.
     
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    There are intellectuals and intellectual impostors - I can't help wondering if it's the latter you're referring to? There's a degree to which some intellectuals have got themselves into a mess, to the degree that they're degrading the meaning of 'science' in fields such as social sciences. Here's a snippet from a piece by Richard Dawkins that explores some of this territory:

    "And no doubt there is also language designed to be unintelligible in order to conceal an absence of honest thought. But how are we to tell the difference? What if it really takes an expert eye to detect whether the emperor has clothes? In particular, how shall we know whether the modish French 'philosophy', whose disciples and exponents have all but taken over large sections of American academic life, is genuinely profound or the vacuous rhetoric of mountebanks and charlatans?"

    A couple of years ago two scientists conspired to create an utterly unintelligible social sciences paper, and to have it published in a peer reviewed publication. The first publication declined, but recommended a pay-to-publish sister title, which is also subject to peer review. The paper was accepted and published. Just to be clear, the authors of the paper had carefully read through it to ensure they themselves couldn't understand a single argument they were making! This kind of intellectualism can only do damage.

    The Dawkins article is here. It dates to 1998, so nothing new about any of this, other than the degree of influence such pseudo-intellectualism has gained.
     
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    pseudo intellectuals
    armchair philosophers
     
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    The phenomenon is found in many fields. In real fields, specialised words are designed to convey meaning as succinctly as possible, like transistor wich is shorthand for transferred resistor. This has acutal semantic meaning. Other fields - those inhabited by fakes - use jargon to conceal. A wine "expert" will talk about nose. He could have said smell, but then everybody would know what he was talking about.
     
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    Abstolutelly nhot !
     
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    I will confess to owning an armchair, given to me for Christmas by my lovely wife. But that is all.

    Bob
     
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    Yes, but on the other hand, to quote Derrida “Society is fundamentally dead,” however, according to deSelby, it is not so much society that is fundamentally dead, but rather the meaninglessness of society. Any number of deappropriations concerning a postcultural reality exist. But Abian states that we have to choose between the discursive Sontagist rubric and the predialectic paradigm of reality. Furthermore, if one examines Foucaultist power relations, one is faced with a choice: either reject constructivism or conclude that culture has objective value. The subject is contextualised into a modernist semioticism that includes narrativity as a totality. Ultimately, it could be argued that Derrida uses the term ‘constructivism’ merely to denote the common ground between class and society, even thought the characteristic theme of the works of Derrida is not narrative, but subnarrative. I hope that's cleared things up a bit (with thanks to the postmodernist quote generator)
     
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    I see what you did there :cheers:
     
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