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It's also pointless tuning to the accuracy those things offer. As you hit a string it plays sharp, then as the vibration diminishes and the average tension drops, it goes flat. Somewhere in the middle of that lot is what you may, or may not, consider to be "in tune". An ordinary needle tuner is way more than good enough for that.
Correct. I've long been aware of that.
 

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I bought this brand new 2014 SGM from a shop here in Colorado for the used price cus they changed out the robot tuners the second it came through the door, apparently. Since then I added the pickguard, changed the knobs, switch tip, put nickel pickup covers over the ‘61 zebra guys that were already in there cus they kinda rule but were a little brittle, and finally added a trapeze tailpiece with towner downtension bar mostly for grounding purposes but also slight sustain improvement.

There were a few inspirations behind that: 1) I’ve got a custom gauge of Thomastik Infeld flats on there and they’re not made for solid body guitars, so you’re chopping off the silks at the headstock. 2) I play effect-free pretty often and wanted more body resonance in the sound. The custom gauge starts with a .50 low e, so I get the wood moving pretty nicely.

All of this was with the intention of making my SG sound and feel (on the fretboard at least) like a jazz guitar. And I’m pretty happy to report that the guy hangs nicely with 335s and Eastmans and stuff like that. And I wanted to post this because I had so many questions about the things I ended up doing to my beloved SG that I couldn’t find succinctly on the internet (particularly customizing the pickup, custom gauge, and tailpiece addition). So now any other weirdo who wants to turn an SG into something that will slay at the jazz jam will have someone in their corner.

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Correct me if i am wrong. but the SGM was just the SGJ with robotic tuners?..and these had maple necks? I always thought the SGJ was a great value few years ago as you could find them all over for under $ 500.. USD.. not any more.. lol.. I like the dark ones best.. and the mods you did look great.. how is the break angle over the bar to the saddles?.. I like a more shallow angle and slinkier string setup.. very cool!
 

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#OLY $#!t C.B., you own that ? There I was thinkin I'm the $#!T w/my Dip-Stick Peterson Clip-on Strobe-Tuner, FFS ! it does work though.....for $30 the TC Electronics Uni-Tune was/is a good strobe clip on tuner as well...till they, of course, discontinued it. Both work but that one u got there, DANG !!! Looks like it belongs in a University Laboratory. W.A.M., R U a Professor of Music C.B. ?

Be careful with clip on tuners and nitrocellulose 7E31012E-00D9-401D-BFC3-194392CABD9F.jpeg
 

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I bought this brand new 2014 SGM from a shop here in Colorado for the used price cus they changed out the robot tuners the second it came through the door, apparently. Since then I added the pickguard, changed the knobs, switch tip, put nickel pickup covers over the ‘61 zebra guys that were already in there cus they kinda rule but were a little brittle, and finally added a trapeze tailpiece with towner downtension bar mostly for grounding purposes but also slight sustain improvement.

There were a few inspirations behind that: 1) I’ve got a custom gauge of Thomastik Infeld flats on there and they’re not made for solid body guitars, so you’re chopping off the silks at the headstock. 2) I play effect-free pretty often and wanted more body resonance in the sound. The custom gauge starts with a .50 low e, so I get the wood moving pretty nicely.

All of this was with the intention of making my SG sound and feel (on the fretboard at least) like a jazz guitar. And I’m pretty happy to report that the guy hangs nicely with 335s and Eastmans and stuff like that. And I wanted to post this because I had so many questions about the things I ended up doing to my beloved SG that I couldn’t find succinctly on the internet (particularly customizing the pickup, custom gauge, and tailpiece addition). So now any other weirdo who wants to turn an SG into something that will slay at the jazz jam will have someone in their corner.

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Wow! That looks really nice! Did that start as a Tribute? I love the downtension bar on the tailpiece studs. What an ingenious way to not leave that as open holes and (IMO) add a ton of tuning stability. I love that you added a little here and there and didn't butcher the thing. Excellent work!
 

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Be careful with clip on tuners and nitrocellulose View attachment 45916
Obviously, this dude either didn't care or didn't notice. I mean, after the first few divots you'd think the guy would have said, "hey, I guess these tuners aren't meant to be clamped down extremely tight on the headstock for months at a time".

Probably one of those guys that thinks a clipped on tuner and a bunch of uncut string ends make him look like a professional or something. It's so phistocated.
 

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I get how tuning works.
Not a fan of tuners with needles.
They jump around too much.

I prefer these...

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True. There is nothing as accurate as a rotary strobe tuner. Unfortunately, only one of those in your picture is a real strobe tuner. The rest are just as bad as every other tuner. In order for a strobe tuner to work, it must have a strobe and a spinning disk. You cannot re-create it digitally. A strobe tuner is 100% analog, which is why it works so well. Once you try to make it digital, you've lost the benefit, and demonstrated that you don't understand how strobe tuners work.
 

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Obviously, this dude either didn't care or didn't notice. I mean, after the first few divots you'd think the guy would have said, "hey, I guess these tuners aren't meant to be clamped down extremely tight on the headstock for months at a time".

Probably one of those guys that thinks a clipped on tuner and a bunch of uncut string ends make him look like a professional or something. It's so phistocated.

No........"OBVIOUSLY" not even close, BWAH HA HA !!!.....BUT WTF ?

'Something' ??????

So tell us Mikey: How does a "PROFESSIONAL", like yourself, set-up his guitar?
(Not that anyone cares).
 

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True. There is nothing as accurate as a rotary strobe tuner. Unfortunately, only one of those in your picture is a real strobe tuner. The rest are just as bad as every other tuner. In order for a strobe tuner to work, it must have a strobe and a spinning disk. You cannot re-create it digitally. A strobe tuner is 100% analog, which is why it works so well. Once you try to make it digital, you've lost the benefit, and demonstrated that you don't understand how strobe tuners work.

Mechanical strobe tuners are the least accurate of the breed. They rely on the rotational speed of a motor which may or may not be right. Obviously you can always check it against a real crystal-locked electronic tuner :) As for the gibberish about working so well because it is analogue, please. There are some of us here who actually understand these things and are not going to remain silent while you spread Luddite misinformation. So please, cut it out right now.
 

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Don’t feed the troll.
It obviously doesn’t understand basic electronics and the difference between digital and analog.
 

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Don’t feed the troll.
It obviously doesn’t understand basic electronics and the difference between digital and analog.

YEAH, last time I opened my mouth about something not even as controversial as this, the ****-storm I got was actually a li'l less than I expected.....I did know it was coming.....

I was going to ask you about that one C.B. as you've got the CRED. BUT I did not....and right now its for another day.....

About STROBE TUNERS tho....IMO, STROBE Tuners are the BETTER/BEST tool for SET-UP's/INTONATION....and for my Hard Earned ? PETERSON STROBES are all that is necessary.

When INTONATING a Guitar that is OUT....STROBE TUNERS are highly accurate and that is really all that matters to me...It also certainly seems to me that Intonation, when using a plain Snark-like Clip-On, can be off by as much as 2 to 4 'CENTS' overall. I say this with years of experience using STROBE Tuners EXCLUSIVELY. Until I switched to STROBE Tuners I did not realize how FAR OUT I was at times....it really mattered in the 2nd Octave when an OPEN 'A' 'D' or 'E' Chord would RING SHARP...I used to think it was the NUT Slot Height, and sometimes it surely was...but, now, looking back ? The POS Non-STROBE TUNERs played a part in it as well. STROBE TUNERS have eliminated that problem and for a very long time now every GIBSON guitar I setup...... the 2nd Octave OPEN 'A' 'D' E' Chords RING DEAD-ON..... every frikkin' time.

While I'm usually not one to be a ****-starter........Let the **** storm commence.
 

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This is all so much pie in the sky. Do you know how far the pitch moves in the few seconds after you pluck the string? This is the open G on My Les Paul
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It wanders the better part of 5 cents. Now you can take your pick of where amongst that lot you consider to be the actual pitch of the note. But don't imagine for a moment you can "tune" a string within a couple of cents. The idea is pure fiction. An ordinary electronic tuner is not only intrinsically more accurate than any spinning disc, but it also gives you the most convenient display, particularly on stage. A quick glance at the green light on a Boss will do the job perfectly. I might show you how the tuning changes depending on exactly how you stand. I'll get my SG to do that one.
 

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Here's the D on my SG. Three plots. The first is leaning slightly back. The second is upright and the third is leaning slightly forwards. And I do mean slightly - probably much less than you would at a gig

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So we have it. Depending on how you stand it changes between +5 and -10 cents. You're going to have to be pretty persuasive to convince me you are tuning your guitar within a couple of cents when it changes as soon as you move.
 

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Here's the D on my SG. Three plots. The first is leaning slightly back. The second is upright and the third is leaning slightly forwards. And I do mean slightly - probably much less than you would at a gig

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So we have it. Depending on how you stand it changes between +5 and -10 cents. You're going to have to be pretty persuasive to convince me you are tuning your guitar within a couple of cents when it changes as soon as you move.


IDK if you are addreessing me, and it doesnt matter if you are. I do not even TRY to convince anyone of anything...and you will not be an exce[ption, no. Players are usually adults and they can make their minds up to as what works for them...and what doesn't.

I use STROBE TUNERS, exclusively....I use them because they do what I need them to do, and do it well. I do not give a **** if anyone else uses a STROBE (or not) or they use a pitch pipe, or Middle C on a Piano or they tune their intruments to the Butt Trumpet Farts of their Mother-In-Law....I just dont give a ****...and if it works for someone, GREAT. I know what works for me. I use Peterson (preferably) STROBE TUNERS and my Guitars are IN-TUNE and INTONATED just as good as anyone else's Guitar(s) and I know it and anyone that would be insane enough to pick one of my guitars up and play it would surely know it too....and in my reality, that is all I really give a **** about.

BTW, I did go to see the Master Luthier I mentioned a few weeks ago about the different 'FEEL' of the strings when Neck Relief is wide open (<.025") as opposed to as close to DEAD STRAIGHT as possible (=.003") and he mentioned a different 'FEEL' and I asked if would call it 'TENSION' and before he answered 'YES' he said it would be technically wrong to say the difference is 'TENSION' because a change in TENSION would produce a change in tuning.....This Man did not really have an adjective to accurately describe the MUSHINESS an open Neck Relief perpetuates.......You called it 'GEOMETRY' which is not an adjective but a mathematical theory/concept/science......I'd still like to hear someone, anyone, propose and adjective that accurately describes the phenomena that occurs to the strings when Neck Relief is Wide-Open (<.025"+++), that is correct and will not cause a bunch of scientists to jump on my ass for the use of an incorrect adjective next time I blurt that out. The strings have a different FEEL when Neck Relief is WIDE OPEN. I am certainly NOT the only player that knows this and We all know I am not making it up, u kno, as if it doesn't happen when neck relief is adjusted to be OPEN. I am Just trying to come up wth a correct way of stating what that 'FEEL' is (adjective).
 

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IDK if you are addreessing me, and it doesnt matter if you are. I do not even TRY to convince anyone of anything...and you will not be an exce[ption, no. Players are usually adults and they can make their minds up to as what works for them...and what doesn't.

I use STROBE TUNERS, exclusively....I use them because they do what I need them to do, and do it well. I do not give a **** if anyone else uses a STROBE (or not) or they use a pitch pipe, or Middle C on a Piano or they tune their intruments to the Butt Trumpet Farts of their Mother-In-Law....I just dont give a ****...and if it works for someone, GREAT. I know what works for me. I use Peterson (preferably) STROBE TUNERS and my Guitars are IN-TUNE and INTONATED just as good as anyone else's Guitar(s) and I know it and anyone that would be insane enough to pick one of my guitars up and play it would surely know it too....and in my reality, that is all I really give a **** about.

BTW, I did go to see the Master Luthier I mentioned a few weeks ago about the different 'FEEL' of the strings when Neck Relief is wide open (<.025") as opposed to as close to DEAD STRAIGHT as possible (=.003") and he mentioned a different 'FEEL' and I asked if would call it 'TENSION' and before he answered 'YES' he said it would be technically wrong to say the difference is 'TENSION' because a change in TENSION would produce a change in tuning.....This Man did not really have an adjective to accurately describe the MUSHINESS an open Neck Relief perpetuates.......You called it 'GEOMETRY' which is not an adjective but a mathematical theory/concept/science......I'd still like to hear someone, anyone, propose and adjective that accurately describes the phenomena that occurs to the strings when Neck Relief is Wide-Open (<.025"+++), that is correct and will not cause a bunch of scientists to jump on my ass for the use of an incorrect adjective next time I blurt that out. The strings have a different FEEL when Neck Relief is WIDE OPEN. I am certainly NOT the only player that knows this and We all know I am not making it up, u kno, as if it doesn't happen when neck relief is adjusted to be OPEN. I am Just trying to come up wth a correct way of stating what that 'FEEL' is (adjective).

As long as you are happy, so are we. But to make us even happier, do you think you could ease up on the capitals? In the world of Internet chat, capitals mean shouting, and I'm sure that is not your intention.
 

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As long as you are happy, so are we. But to make us even happier, do you think you could ease up on the capitals? In the world of Internet chat, capitals mean shouting, and I'm sure that is not your intention.

We ?

I was hoping for an adjective..or adverb(?), no one has come up with one......yet. I have only asked 3-4 people though. You're correct, I am not shoutig.
 


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