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Since i sent the LPC back i've had time to think. Taking a que from Abiding Dude's experience, I can get a more vesatile LP w/o the bling for half the cost of an LPC. Plus possible recession around the corner. I'm looking at these two "traditional pro v" possibilities;


Question is whats the diff between "asymmetrical profile" on the maple and "compound-radius" on the mahogany top.
And mayb some takes between maple v mohogany top.
 
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Didnt think to check out you tube. Duh. Dont think im gonna go for the asymmetrical profile. Compound fretboard seems interesting thou. Fender is doing that as well.
 

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I like the look of the burst better, and I like asymmetrical neck. I have one on an SG Modern. Full enough for comfortable chording on the bas side, and kind thinner and shredded on the treble side.

For that kind of money you coul get a Gib SG Modern with a nice flame top, and a better choice of colors. And it’s not satin.
 

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"For that kind of money you coul get a Gib SG Modern with a nice flame top, and a better choice of colors. And it’s not satin"

Does it come w coil tap/split and phase?
Bang for buck is what i'm leaning towards.

Mohogany top, I dont mind the satin cherry. Thou the ebony option looks really terible to me.
Maple top, the iced tea looked promissing.

Mentioned in comments, some one buffed the top and turned out purdy good. See what forearm buffing does over time (test). Strip the top and buff it out. Mayb head stock too. Leave back, sides, and neck in satin.
See whats up when/if in hand. Descrepencies between comments/questions as to logo decal or inlay. Lots of confusing sh*t.

And i think i have some Qs for gibson. Asymmetrical refers to the back of the neck on the maple top model. But makes no mention re board dimentions. The mohogany top model describes board profile w no reference to back neck profile.
But in comments for both, asymmetrical was referenced. Confusing. All my life i've never bought online/sight unseen. Save my 22 '61 sg. Kinda scarry.
 

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I can’t figure out what’s “Traditional” about it? To me, Traditional wouldn’t have dip switches, push pull pots, asymmetrical neck, compound radius, weight relief and a satin finish.

A lot of online sellers advertise free shipping but that’s usually only if you keep it.
Make sure you know what their return policy is if you’re not sure about the item.
 
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"I can’t figure out what’s “Traditional” about it? To me, Traditional wouldn’t have dip switches, push pull pots, asymmetrical neck, compound radius, weight relief and a satin finish"

Agreed Decadent Dan. What ever gibson calls it, Roman numeral V represents their 5th version of the so called "Traditional" platform. Kinda odd to see "my fathers" gibson, if you will, competing with the likes of say, schecter research. Never the less here we are. I like the gadgetry, hoping the name gibson would lend a certain amount of quality and reliability. Just hoping one of the versions has a "Traditional" neck back. Pun intended.

Far as seller goes, its GC.
"A lot of online sellers advertise free shipping but that’s usually only if you keep it.
Make sure you know what their return policy is if you’re not sure about the item"

Dont think i'll ever be brave enough to buy used online. Authorized new dealers is all i go through at this point. Lack confidence. But thanks for the heads up on the return policy thing. IDK know that.
 
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Hi! If you like the assymmetrical neck. compound radius, and the switching options of the current Tradition, consider a 2018 Standard T (Traditional). They had all these options, a gloss finish, and some really nice wood. I'll show you mine:

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and then point you to THIS one on reverb:

sonus4uhpfodkzeqtgq6.jpg


These were originally $3200 but this one is available for $2395+$150 shipping and he is open to offers. Being from that area, I bet I know the dealer this came from originally. The only thing to think about is the pickups - they were Burstbucker Pros that are hot and bright. If you've ever heard the comparison between a Tele and LP as being that the LP is a more powerful Tele, these pickups come to mind. However, you can back off the tone control and they are more like vintage pickups. They are also quite sweet.

The funny thing is that in 2019, when they revamped the line under the new leadership, they turned the Standard back into what it used to be... a bog-standard version of the LP. They took all the innovative ideas and stuck them on the Traditional, making most of us scratch our heads. They really hadn't fit with either the Standard philosophy or the Traditional. 😀

HERE is the 2018 Standard T spec sheet.
HERE is my review of mine.

lpbed816.jpg

(Mine again)

So... if you would consider a used guitar to get an all-the-way LP in that price range, there are possibilities.

All the best,

Bob
 

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"I can’t figure out what’s “Traditional” about it? To me, Traditional wouldn’t have dip switches, push pull pots, asymmetrical neck, compound radius, weight relief and a satin finish"

Agreed Decadent Dan. What ever gibson calls it, Roman numeral V represents their 5th version of the so called "Traditional" platform. Kinda odd to see "my fathers" gibson, if you will, competing with the likes of say, schecter research. Never the less here we are. I like the gadgetry, hoping the name gibson would lend a certain amount of quality and reliability. Just hoping one of the versions has a "Traditional" neck back. Pun intended.

Far as seller goes, its GC.
"A lot of online sellers advertise free shipping but that’s usually only if you keep it.
Make sure you know what their return policy is if you’re not sure about the item"

Dont think i'll ever be brave enough to buy used online. Authorized new dealers is all i go through at this point. Lack confidence.
Something I’ve noticed about a lot of used listings online is the photos. If they’re not focused, dark lighting, odd/unnecessary reflections, different angles but no straight shots or just a few photos, they might be trying to hide something.
A good seller will have quality photos and be able to provide other photos if asked.
A lot of stuff sells as-is with crap photos but buyer beware!
I’ve sometimes discovered unknown flaws on my stuff while looking at photos I took.
So, it’s not always intentional.
I also take complete photos to cover my butt in case of a sketchy buyer.
 

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Something I’ve noticed about a lot of used listings online is the photos. If they’re not focused, dark lighting, odd/unnecessary reflections, different angles but no straight shots or just a few photos, they might be trying to hide something.
A good seller will have quality photos and be able to provide other photos if asked.
A lot of stuff sells as-is with crap photos but buyer beware!
I’ve sometimes discovered unknown flaws on my stuff while looking at photos I took.
So, it’s not always intentional.
I also take complete photos to cover my butt in case of a sketchy buyer.
Funny you should mention that. I understand MF/GC uses gibson stock photos. On this one, it looks like the wood may have been insect or worm infested.
 

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Hi! If you like the assymmetrical neck. compound radius, and the switching options of the current Tradition, consider a 2018 Standard T (Traditional). They had all these options, a gloss finish, and some really nice wood. I'll show you mine:

03lptop.jpg


and then point you to THIS one on reverb:

sonus4uhpfodkzeqtgq6.jpg


These were originally $3200 but this one is available for $2395+$150 shipping and he is open to offers. Being from that area, I bet I know the dealer this came from originally. The only thing to think about is the pickups - they were Burstbucker Pros that are hot and bright. If you've ever heard the comparison between a Tele and LP as being that the LP is a more powerful Tele, these pickups come to mind. However, you can back off the tone control and they are more like vintage pickups. They are also quite sweet.

The funny thing is that in 2019, when they revamped the line under the new leadership, they turned the Standard back into what it used to be... a bog-standard version of the LP. They took all the innovative ideas and stuck them on the Traditional, making most of us scratch our heads. They really hadn't fit with either the Standard philosophy or the Traditional. 😀

HERE is the 2018 Standard T spec sheet.
HERE is my review of mine.

lpbed816.jpg

(Mine again)

So... if you would consider a used guitar to get an all-the-way LP in that price range, there are possibilities.

All the best,

Bob

Geeze Bob! Make me drool why dont cha. Love it when y'all show off. Never have too much guitar porn.

But my ability to purchase is only possible via financing. Specifically the 48 mo 0% interest optionns offered. My choices have to fit w/in those parrameters.
 

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Hi! If you like the assymmetrical neck. compound radius, and the switching options of the current Tradition, consider a 2018 Standard T (Traditional). They had all these options, a gloss finish, and some really nice wood. I'll show you mine:

03lptop.jpg


and then point you to THIS one on reverb:

sonus4uhpfodkzeqtgq6.jpg


These were originally $3200 but this one is available for $2395+$150 shipping and he is open to offers. Being from that area, I bet I know the dealer this came from originally. The only thing to think about is the pickups - they were Burstbucker Pros that are hot and bright. If you've ever heard the comparison between a Tele and LP as being that the LP is a more powerful Tele, these pickups come to mind. However, you can back off the tone control and they are more like vintage pickups. They are also quite sweet.

The funny thing is that in 2019, when they revamped the line under the new leadership, they turned the Standard back into what it used to be... a bog-standard version of the LP. They took all the innovative ideas and stuck them on the Traditional, making most of us scratch our heads. They really hadn't fit with either the Standard philosophy or the Traditional. 😀

HERE is the 2018 Standard T spec sheet.
HERE is my review of mine.

lpbed816.jpg

(Mine again)

So... if you would consider a used guitar to get an all-the-way LP in that price range, there are possibilities.

All the best,

Bob

Geeze again Bob! Stop that! Great review. I really got a lot outa that.

How does the "ultra weight relief" stack up to the non weight relieved *unplugged feel of your 74 LP? I, like most have had issues with weight. Especially during long sets. After three hours, i'm sweating from the weight and not necessarily from the exitement of playing.

But, i kinda coveted the weight as it lent a solid feel when playing. Especially on an ebony board if that makes sense. That "solid" feeling, unplugeed and plugged, is what drives my decision making for LP purchases in the past and future. Ultra relief, i fear, will lose that some what. Afraid now, that all modern, or should i say new LPs will never have that feeling again.
Ever since '74 when i bought my first LP, an LPC 20th anniversary BB, stupidly selling it, i've been chasing that feeling. It's becme an obsession for me. Which is why i purchased the 70th LPC BB. But alas, it did not have that feeling. Close, but nope.
Me thinks that the "fretless wonder" config of the 20th, added to that feel. Me thinks i'll never get that back with any purchase save another 20th.

Does your 74 have the fretless wonder frets? And do you feel that *solid feeling like i do/did?

It's all your fault me asking all these stupid Qs. As if it wasnt for your review, i woudnt have realized that solid feeling may never come my way again. Saddens me.

Tnx for you input and time up front sir. Always learning here.
 

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Hi!

Here is what I compare the 2018 Standard to:
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This is a 1974 Kalamazoo Small-Script Standard that I bought used in 1977. It has been re-fretted with medium jumbo frets by my luthier/tech, Kenny Marshall.

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This is a 2005 ES-335 that my lovely wife treated me to. It was delivered with jumbo (.056) frets. We took it to Kenny for a setup and he turned it into a recording session machine with .054 fret height throughout and the most secure, solid feeling in bends I have ever encountered.

As delivered, the 2018 LP Standard T had a Plek fret job and jumbo frets. Though it was pretty solid feeling, it didn't feel as solid as the ES-335. A month ago I took it to Kenny. With his setup it has become nearly the equal of the ES-335. After the setup those high frets require less fretting pressure and give an extremely solid feeling in bends. I now consider it a "no-reservations" guitar, one that I can play without having to alter my style to fit.

As to the weight, the 1974 Standard weighs 9.8 lbs and a lot of that weight is in the lower bout. If I play it seated without a strap, were I to let go, the neck would swing up and the guitar would fall off my lap to the right. It reminds me of that every minute, so I always wear a strap. The 2018 Standard weighs 7.8 lbs. Besides the very noticeable reduction in weight, it is also far more balanced. I can play it seated, without a strap, and there is no tendency to rotate off my lap.

However, the two Standard LPs share every bit of the feeling of solidity. The neck/body joint on the 2018 feels just as rigid as that of the 1974. The 2018 still doesn't qualify as a lightweight, as say a basswood body guitar would, and it is far more solid feeling than one of those. It feels more solid than my SG Standard '61 Reissue Limited Edition (which has jumbo frets and has been set up by Kenny), for instance, and has more sustain, girth, and chunkiness. The 2018 has a little sweeter sound on the neck pickup than the 1974, by the way, something of the sweetness of the ES-335. It has grit when it needs it as well. The 1974 Standard is the king of chugga-chugga in the studio, though, and its sustain goes on forever, like old Nigel Tufnel talked about.

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If you haven't figured it out yet, I do sessions with these guitars. They all have different characters. I bought the SG to try to get much of the character of the LP and ES-335 without the weight. I was eventually wooed when I found the 2018 Standard because it had such a lovely combination of the tones of the 1974 and the ES-335 and definitely had the girth of the 1974. Also, if you haven't figured it out yet, I am positively the worst at superlatives, ie., "This one is the best." I have uses for all these guitars.

So, does any of that help?

Bob
 

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"So, does any of that help?"

Nut shell, a big YES!
I learn allot from y'all. I've been chasing a guitar that gave me the same feeling way back when. When i don't even know what goes into making a guitar. With all the models since the tube days, i likely would be chasing that dream/feeling forever.
Understanding what goes into a build is the only way to focus on a platform that will do that.

But i think now that it is I who has to change. The days of fender tubes, a 2 or 4xJBL D-130 cab or a Sun w altecs, and a vintage LP are gone. At least outa my price range. Back then, there were like fender and gibson for guitars. More amp choices than guits. Fender, Sun, Ampeg, etc.... Now days we're inundated with quality guitar choices.
I'm just going to have to be more patient, take what I've learned, and go from there. Conceding that w/o tubes, or a vintage guit, I need to adapt.

EDIT;
Compliment coming. Careful w that ES around a tube amp. Could be down right deadly.
 
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