Maestro Tremolo Weight?

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  1. Harry Holden

    Harry Holden New Member

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    Hey guys!

    I recently acquired a 64 custom shop sg.

    Fantastic guitar, it clocks in at 8.1lbs, which seems quite heavy for an SG, has anyone weighed or know how much the maestro trem system all in all weighs?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Biddlin

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    Welcome. I think my Gibson branded Maestro added about 6 oz to the weight of my SG classic. It was noticeable, but not onerously so.
     
  3. Goldtone

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    Is it Maestro or Lyre?

    that will make a big difference
     
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  5. Goldtone

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    That’s a Lyre

    unfortunately Gibson is not accurate on their own specs

    the Maestro is the same MINUS the back plate and undercarriage...as you’d find on a Firebird 3 or late 60’s Flying V for example

    The one in the photo is a Lyre vibrato...same as Maestro but has the undercarriage with engraved backplate

    Huge difference in weight
     
  6. Goldtone

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    Wow, what a nasty post

    You obviously have issues with communication

    Which device? The Maestro or the Lyre. Why not make your contribution meaningful

    You are telling the OP that this is 6oz

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    or is it this that weighs 6oz?


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  7. SG standard

    SG standard Well-Known Member

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    Understatement of the year! :)

    In terms of feel, I can't tell the weight difference between a stopbar, Maestro or B3 Bigsby. My current SGs:
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    Weights from top to bottom: 7.7lbs, 7.7lbs, 7.5lbs (converted from Kg measurements) I'm guessing the Maestro isn't contributing much to that 8.1lbs weight.
     
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  8. Goldtone

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    Great shot! Great herd of SGs!

    How do you like the balance with a vibrato attached? I’ve always appreciated both the aesthetic and the improved balance / weight distribution. That goes for Firebirds also...rarely do they neck dive when they have a vibrato unit
     
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    @Goldtone The OP asked about a specific device on a guitar. I gave the answer based upon my experience. You played word games.
     
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    Thanks! When it come to the Bigsby, I really didn't notice any change in balance when I added it - perhaps because it was so badly balanced to begin with, small differences weren't obvious. I fixed the balance issue other ways.

    The Custom with the Maestro is a bit neck heavy, but not as bad as either standard - not sure why as it has a slightly larger headstock - perhaps the Maestro is counteracting that, and without it, it'd be much worse!

    Ironically, now, the SG with the worst balance of the three is the Standard with a stopbar! That might be due to the beefier neck. (Also worth noting that both Standards have G-Force tuners, which doesn't help with the balance).
     
  11. Goldtone

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    Excuse me? I gave info to give clarity...it’s misinformation that you gave with wrong description.
    Then you say I’m verbally masturbating..and you’re defending that?!?!

    Time to grow up son

    Sorry for the derail OP, hopefully we can get back on discussion with good accurate info without verbally abusing other members
     
  12. Goldtone

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    Hey SG Standard;

    Yes I find the same. Having owned many SGs and many Gibson guitars I’ve found that (in general) a vibrato helps balance the guitar and that the stop bar SG (the ones I’ve owned) have had varying degrees of neck dive.

    Hasn’t stopped me from loving the stop bar SG though!

    I REALLY dig your Bigsby’d SG...I never did find one I bonded with but am still searching
     
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    So many new members to ignore.
     
  14. RW59

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    Gibson is currently calling the Maestro lyre simply a Maestro. It's right there in the guitar's official name: "Gibson 1964 SG Standard Reissue with Maestro Vibrola". It has "Maestro" engraved on it right below the lyre engraving. (Edit: no it doesn't -- it says Gibson.)

    Maestro is a brand name owned by Gibson. Keith used a Maestro fuzz for "Satisfaction", and the '70s Maestro phaser was highly thought of. It's not a specific type of vibrola. There's the Maestro lyre and the Maestro short vibrola. They're both Maestros.

    Guitarists gave the long Maestro the nickname "lyre". While the pedantic argument can be made that we should stick to agreed upon slang conventions for clarity, the context of the OP's posts indicate he was specifically asking about the Maestro vibrola fitted to the '64 SG Standard Reissue.
     
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  15. Goldtone

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    Have a nice day Biddlin

    I’m hoping we can in the future remember that friendly communication is best

    kind thoughts to you
     
  16. Goldtone

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    Thanks RW 59, yes that’s correct.

    It is good though that we are all talking about the same thing. Due to the history of that vibrato the nomenclature is now quite confused

    I’m sure no one would disagree that both the vibrato units pictured are different and will be substantially different in weight
     
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    ...well at least we're not calling it a trem... :smile:
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    I always thought the Maestro Vibrola refers to the long version found on the 1963-71 SG Standards and the "Lyre" is the engraved emblem on the cover plate.

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    The Short Vibrola is found on some of the the 1963-1971 SG Juniors and Specials.

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  20. Goldtone

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    Cerebral Gasket

    you’ve really got the nomenclature most correct. Long or short Vibrola I “think” was Gibson’s original names for the two types
     
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