My first SG (Gibson SGJ or Epiphone G400 Pro)? Help!

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  1. plankton

    plankton Well-Known Member

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    I can't really help you with your decision, but I will say when it comes to neck shapes what Epiphone calls "60's slim taper D" can vary quite a bit. My 2013 '66 G400 Pro has a fairly chunky neck (although not "baseball bat" thick) and my 2020 Epi SG Special has a really thin neck. Both were advertised as having the 60's slim taper D.

    Good luck, the truth is they're both great guitars, and as long as they're both in good condition I don't think you can go wrong either way.
     
  2. Les’s Nemesis

    Les’s Nemesis New Member

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    Depends on what guy was carving the neck and the characteristics of the piece of wood he was carving. There's a lot of variation in the originals. So now they can model a thin one, or a thick one. Must be interesting meetings around the conference room table.
     
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    well guys... I played strats my whole life, and I have two, of which they have very different necks, one being very comfortable (a squier bullet with a thinner profile and 42mm nut) and the other a little chunky with almost 23mm nut and not so comfortable (which is for sale), but I had the opportunity to play a SX Les Paul from a friend of mine for a few days over the last few months, I think it had this baseball-type neck feel, and to be honest I thought the playability was very good, with the string action pretty low and smooth, but I don't remember the nut size or the real neck profile by its specs...
     
  4. everdying

    everdying Well-Known Member

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    hands down the SGJ...i had a 2013...
    i have had G-400s back during the MIK days...
    the SGJ definitely miles ahead...

    just that u would need to get used to the bare look of the SGJ...
    but of cos u can always dress it up...this was mine with gibson replacement knobs...gibson historic spec pointers and toggle tip...all-parts pickguard...

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    Typical comment from someone that doesn't know much about nowadays Epiphone. OP is talking about looking at a recent G400 Pro.

    Like, skiing is dangerous because wooden skis break all the time.
     
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    very nice man!! yeah, I managed to give a try on the SGJ that Im aiming to buy on the next week and Im being convinced that It will be a good choice...

    and sure if I go for the SGT, I will keep some mods that I have ind mind: install maestro vibrola, knobs change for the classic ones like yours, install a single pickguard, and even maybe refinish for a cherry color with a little nitro finish...

    about the the pickups that is loaded on my target SGJ, the 498t / 490r, you guys have some experience with those pickups? I wish I could get some vintage 64/65' kind of pickups....
     
  7. [RGMW]largie

    [RGMW]largie New Member

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    If I was in your position, i'd get the Gibson. I'm not rich and only managed to get mine due to a fabulous sale in a local shop but the pleasure I get *every* time I pick up a made in the USA Gibson outweighs anything that the Epiphone might do better.
    Sure you'll be delighted with whichever you choose :-) !
    Dave
     
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    Von Trapp Well-Known Member

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    Ah, what a great question to post if you're looking for a forum fistfight... But dude, take it from me (and I play the Gibson in my avatar, amongs other things) it really doesn't matter. If it feels good, plays good, sounds good and makes you look good - take it. Take it whatever it's brand. It really. doesn't. matter.

    Only problem I ever had with an epi G400 custom is that the wood where the output jack was situated was too thin and cracked and one of the frets loosened to the point where the string got caught. But that's one guitar and could probably happen to most. But if I go for an Epi, I check that part of the cavity.
     
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  9. Tom Dickinson

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    Personally I too would have a hard time with this decision if I were starting out. I won't argue the intrinsic value aspect of a 'genuine Gibson', BUT......in today's world, the guitars coming out of Asia seem to be every bit as good as anything made here in the USA. If we were talking 'new' guitars, I'd probably give my vote to the Epiphone. But, as we're talking about an 8 year old Gibson vs the Epi, I think the only valid way to chose is to follow the advice of some of the others here and play both guitars. In the long run, there are really only two kinds of guitars; those you play, and those you 'collect'. Since you're starting out and most likely this will be a 'player' type guitar, then you need to make sure it meets your expectations and standards in terms of sound, feel, looks, condition, etc. If you were buying just another 'closet queen' I think the choices involved vary a bit. But, even something as mundane as 'resale value' is not necessarily as important as being to have a guitar that makes you happy for the money you spend. I remember when I first started playing golf (50 years ago, and I gave it up quickly!!). Every time I played, I scarred up the tops of my 'wood' clubs. I came home, sanded 'em down and refinished them....each time! When I told a golf pro about this, he said: "Makes sense!! After all, if you don't like what you see when you look down at your club, you're never going to play it well!!". I kinda think the guitar is the same way, though I will also acquiess to the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder' line. For some, 'ugly' is gorgeous!! "She may be ugly, but she sure can cook!!'. Anyway, follow your heart! Seems like this is a big decision for you, and as such, the end result should make you as happy as possible. DO NOT buy the Gibson just because everyone says it's a better guitar. It may NOT be a better guitar for you. Remember, BIC got famous for making pens and lighters that were cheap, worked well, and you didn't loose a night's sleep if you lost it. I don't know what your guitar will be subjected to after you buy it, but maybe starting with something you can ride hard and put away wet is a better call than having to 'keep it pretty'. Good luck!! Tom D.
     
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