- Dec 12, 2012
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I will just say that a guitar that can not be intonated using the provided adjustments is a problem. If that is the case as stated in the original post, Gibson needs to be aware of it and do something about it.
That said, intonation adjustments are a part of the overall set up process, by which I mean there is a certain basic level of understanding of guitar geometry and the order of steps and checks that are necessary to do the job correctly. If you don't understand the process it is entirely possible to get farther out of adjustment with every change rather than closer to correct.
My first recommendation to someone having trouble setting up a new Gibson guitar would be to make sure they understand the process. It isn't super difficult, but you do have to do things correctly and understand and verify the desired results of each adjustment before moving on to the next step. I would assume that Gibson would verify some of this knowledge with the owner before issuing a return authorization, so there may indeed be a problem with this guitar. CNC does not preclude errors, it just means the machine will precisely follow the instructions given without any judgment or care for the final results. As such, if someone grabbed the wrong body, or instructed the wrong dimensions, it is still possible an error could occur. It is just more likely for an error to occur with the end user making the adjustments, so that should be ruled out first.
Careful, PermissionToPost might get upset.
Haven't seen the guitar, but I suspect the OP's point is valid based upon: had a 2018 junior with the angled uncompensated bridge - worked perfectly; have a 2019 special with the lightening bar which arrived with problems (studs and bridge), got 100 euros refund on warranty then got non-Gibson replacement locking studs and bridge - far better, a stable bridge with decent intonation; spoke to several very experienced special/junior players who also had problems with 2019 (and after) lightening bars who made similar bridge/studs changes.
The lightening bridge has always had issues, the majority of specials on ebay/reverb from the 60s onwards have had bridge upgrades, so it's a shame that Gibson put them on the new Juniors
Indeed it is, but I'm incredibly tolerant. You must have posted ten words to my every one in this thread. You have made wood up the rectum references and been grossly abusive. Fortunately, I don't care.Reflexively attacking anyone who calls out your bad behavior is textbook narcissism.
Indeed it is, but I'm incredibly tolerant. You must have posted ten words to my every one in this thread. You have made wood up the rectum references and been grossly abusive. Fortunately, I don't care.
Reporting people to silence them is your idea of tolerance? If you assumed the joke about tonewood sticks up the asses of Les Paul forum members was somehow about you, I don't know what to say. If you're really that sensitive, maybe you shouldn't be going around dishing out insults all the time.
The mods didn't take your bait. Take the hint and let it go.
Part of any proper set up is identifying issues accurately, and formulating a plan to address them if possible. If it is not possible to address the issues in a simple way using adjustments, it is off to the luthier's bench for modification or repair. In order to repair anything, you first have to figure out what is wrong. Guessing usually solves nothing at best, and makes things worse more often than not.
I don't know how many times I have seen people blaming the instrument when they haven't adjusted the right parts, or done things in the wrong order. Even it there actually is a problem with an instrument (like the bridge is in the wrong location or something), you need to find the issues first by measuring and testing so you will be sure you are fixing something that needs fixing, not just clutching at straws.
I have read all 4 pages of this topic, and I have 2 deductions:
1- I appreciate the OP, both for being at 70 and still playing and buying guitars, let alone he is now chasing Gibson. Being just past 50, I cannot imagine myself doing something in 20 years. So, I bow respectfully.
2- The anatomical discussions took place more than the guitar.
Anyway, I would like to hear more about the developments.
Dude, what is your problem? You're acting like the guy is nit-picking tiny finish imperfections. The guitar can't intonate properly even when the adjustments are maxed out. That's a legit issue.
Please keep your personal insults and bad attitude to yourself, it ruins the forum for everyone and makes newcomers feel unwelcome. This isn't supposed to be a Les Paul forum where everyone has a stick up their ass.