New tuners on my Epi SG G-310

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  1. TChalms

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    I got my made in China G-310 real cheap a couple years ago with the intention of being able to use it to learn to work on and hopefully to end up with a playable guitar.

    I've changed pickups, pots, nut, learned to adjust the truss rod and intonation, and now I've changed the tuners.

    I removed one of the original tuners and compared its measurements with the specs of tuners listed on the stewmac.com website and found a set of 18:1 Grover locking tuners with the same measurements. And yes, they fit perfectly without having to drill new holes. Yay!!

    The difference is night and day, chalk and cheese. The old tuners were supposedly 14:1 but they were loose and sloppy. The new Grover tuners are sooooo nice, and it stays in tune so much better.

    And the education really feels nice.
     
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    It's amazing what you can learn by fixing a cheap guitar.
     
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    True that. It is also amazing how good a cheap instrument can be made to play sometimes with a bit of massaging and a few modifications.
     
  4. TChalms

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    Yes. This guitar is definitely great to play and I love all the tones I can get. I use the middle pickup position the most and use the two volume and two tones in all various combinations. And then I've got the coil split tone pots to double the options. So instead of being a G-310, maybe it's more like a 620. Ha!
    And I actually like the bolt-on neck = no neck dive.
    And I've learned to play the fat neck which is quite different than the skinnier neck guitars that I've played before.
    And I've been learning to play with a lighter touch. The bigger frets on this guitar meant that my old death grip on the neck has relaxed.

    I totally understand the point about having spent more money than the guitar is worth. But again, the education is worth the extra cost. If I had bought a new guitar off the rack, I wouldn't have learned what I know now. Not that I know everything - far from it. But I love guitars and I want to learn everything I can.

    So yeah, a big thanks to all of you educators here. I've read and learned a lot from you all.

    Also on my education agenda is amps ... I will never be bored. I pulled the tubes on my Blackstar HT-5R to get the model numbers and reseated them and now it sounds tons better. But I ordered new tubes anyway.

    Cheers!
     
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    Always keep learning! I’ve got an Epi SG Special that I bought solely for the purpose of learning the mechanics of the guitar, ended up liking the guitar so much it took me almost a year to tear it down to mod it. A little word to the wise if you are ever needing to upsize the holes for the tuners use a reamer…. Apparently even a brand new sharp as hell drill will make a mess out of your headstock.
     
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    A most encouraging thread. Glad to see you enjoy the guitar and experimenting with it.
     
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    pics...:)
     
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    I double that request, please
     
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    I'll see what I can do. Just don't hold your breath. It's a clear day in Oregon and I need to mow my lawn = it's been a couple months since we had a clear weekend. To top it off, the leaves are deep.
     
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    my experience with Epiphone guitars has been great.

    it's my opinion that Epiphones are built to a price point,
    and so they can benefit from adding cool components
    but they don't always need this.

    My experience with Epiphones is that they respond really well to upgrades. So making ye Silk Purse out of ye pig ear is possible, and it's also fun.

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    Good point! And great pic!
     
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    I just got a minty set of used Grover 102-18C Rotomatic tuners for a new build.
    These are 10mm, and the screw hole is at 6:00.
    I dont know what model the OP used
    And, yes the hand reamer works really well.

    Dont get impatient and try to cheat by reaming both sides of the hole a bit and then trying to carefully run a drill bit through without it catching and pulling through.
    Dont, just ..... dont.


    I knew better...... but got impatient.
    You can see the chip outs at the A and D strings.

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    I'll never get rid of my 2011, Made in Indonesia G-310 (shown in my avatar with my Gibson), it has a sleek and fast neck, almost black like ebony and with the JB/Jazz and push pulls, it keeps up with others.
     
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    Apologies I haven't checked in for a while = too busy with end of the year bookkeeping, etc.

    The StewMac website calls the ones I got:
    Grover Mini Locking Rotomatics (406 Series) 3+3 Tuners
    StewMac uses Item # 0875.
    The package has number GX1239.
    The package says: (Hole size .391 = 25/64 Drill bit)
    And yeah, the posts fit the holes perfectly.

    In looking at the diagrams on the StewMac website, it shows that the nut is 10mm, and the post is 0.390" (9.91mm).
     
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