NGD 2016 Gibson SG Special HP

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  1. In Tampa

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    Well, I had previously acclaimed my debut here on ETSG with a 2017 SG Special P-90 but since that time I have acquired this 2016 SG Special HP. Since I cannot keep both and this one is more to my liking I returned the SG with P-90 pups. Nothing against the P-90s but I really wanted humbuckers for my first Gibson SG.:cool:

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    How do you like the mini himbuckers? Aesthically they are still growing on me, I have come to accept the look of the P90’s.
     
  3. In Tampa

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    I know what you mean. I liked the growl of the P90's and if I had another guitar with humbuckers I might have kept it but I don't. My other guitar is a Squire Strat. The p90's took some getting used to aesthetically as you say. But to answer your question I do like the mini humbuckers. I don't really have anything to compare them to except what I have tried out at Guitar Center. I was looking for a fuller clean sound as well as a dirty overdriven sound.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    The thick maple necks on the 2016 SG Specials are awesome. Maybe later on you will get a second SG with P-90's again, so that you will have one with mini humbuckers and one with P-90's. If you do, treat yourself to a used SG Classic.
     
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  5. In Tampa

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    I agree. I like the neck also. Well, the SG is like Lays potato chips. No one can have just one.
     
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    Welcome to the mini hum club... I sure like mine.
    I bought one of the first ones that I'd ever seen, a 2012 model.
    To me the appeal was the unique look and the unique voice.
    I wanted it instantly, as soon as it was advertised.

    In 2013 when I bought mine, the SG with mini hums was not well
    accepted, so I got mine after Gibson marked them down and down.
    It turns out to be a great guitar, so they began making them again
    after taking a worse beating in 2015. *shrugs

    You'll want to get your P-90 equipped SG back, I predict. Or get another
    one when you find a great deal. But for now, enjoy the excellent tones of
    the Mini Humbuckers. These are the same pickups that Gibson uses for the
    Les Paul Deluxe, which has its own cult following. Mini Hums rock!

    It's still not clear to me whether the pickups we have on our SGs are the
    same as what Gibson uses for the Firebird... OR NOT. I've seen it claimed
    that Firebird p'ups are made with ceramic magnets and are much hotter.
    (and I know that used to be true, a long time ago). But is that still true?
    Does Gibson really make more than one kind of Mini Humbucker?

    I've also looked on the Gibson specifications and seen Firebirds listed with
    Gibson 495 p'ups, ...and is that what we have in our SGs?
    Whatever they are, they sound great to my ear, and through my amps.
    I hope you enjoy your guitar as much as I do mine.
     
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    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Pictured below is the measured DCR of the stock neck pickup from my SG Special 2016 T which is not the same as advertised on the website. Apparently there are different variations of these Mini Humbuckers.

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  8. Col Mustard

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    That's what I'm talkin' about... the pickup pictured above is likely to be similar
    to the OP's... But is it?
    Read what the Gibson blurb said in the advertisement for the 2012 Firebird
    Studio '70s Tribute:

    "To help the Firebird Studio ’70s Tribute rock with unparalleled character and articulation, Gibson USA loads it with a pair of Dual Blade Alnico Mini Humbuckers. Entirely new pickups from Gibson USA, these units improve upon the best attributes of the former Mini Humbuckers seen in the Les Paul Deluxe in the ’70s, and the different Firebird Mini Humbuckers of the early ’60s, in an efficient design that uses dual steel blades and an Alnico magnet for a vintage voice that still retains plenty of chime. These pickups are calibrated for balanced output between the neck and bridge positions, yielding everything from singing bluesy neck tones to crunchy and wailing leads, and are dressed in solid chrome covers."

    To me that sounds like Gibson in 2012 made the same p'ups for the new '70s trib ute Firebird, the '70s Trib Les Paul Deluxe
    and the '70s tribute SG special . From a manufacturing standpoint, this makes good sense. From a Firebird
    aficionado's POV, it's likely to be sacrilege. Am I right? But from an SG player's POV, do we care?

    Personally I don't. I wouldn't buy a guitar with hot hot ceramic magnet pickups, because that
    doesn't suit my style. Firebirds might be cool etc... but they ain't my thing. I'm very happy with
    the more moderate output mini hums I have in my SG. They have lovely clean tones and a great
    snarl and scream. The highs are fine and clear with no ice pick to my ears. My SG plays well with
    pedals and sounds great plugged directly into my Black Heart Little Giant.
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    Here's some more to add... it's the description of Gibson's "495R and 495T pickups"
    from the Firebird 2017T (which is obviously different from the Firebird Studio '70s tribute)
    I described above. This defines the 495 pickups as the ceramic ones with the hot hot output.

    Pickups: Rhythm Lead
    Style: 495R 495T
    Winds/Coil: Screw side/Slug side: 7,000 8,400
    Material of Wire (gauge): Copper (44) Copper (45)
    Coil Dimensions (per coil): 2.61" x 0.68" 2.61" x 0.68"
    Coil Material: ABS ABS
    Coil Winding Process: Machine Wound Machine Wound
    Pole Piece Material: Nickel plated steel Nickel plated steel
    Pole Piece Position from Nut: 18.625" 23.437"
    Slug Material: Nickel plated steel Nickel plated steel
    Slug Dimensions (diameter x length): 0.187 x 0.489" 0.187 x 0.489"
    Magnet Material: Ceramic Ceramic
    Magnet Position from Nut: 19" 23.125"
    Magnet Dimensions: 2.5" x 0.5" 2.5" x 0.5"
    Cover: Chrome w/ Trim Ring Chrome w/ Trim Ring
    Qfactor: 3.28 2.46
    ResistanceDC: 14280.00 Ohms 25250.00 Ohms
    Resonant Frequency: 3448.71 Hz 2482.71 Hz


    Does anybody have an SG with these hot pickups in it?
     
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    okay, one more post and then others should speak...
    Here's the specs for Gibson's "Tribute" style Mini Humbuckers for comparison with
    the above 495 series which has the ceramic magnets. The Tribute style is certainly
    what I have in my guitar, and what the OP has in his guitar just posted.

    Pickups Rhythm Lead
    Style: Rhythm Tribute Lead Tribute
    Winds/Coil: Screw side/Slug side: 4250 4750
    Material of Wire (gauge): Copper (42) Copper (42)
    Coil Dimensions (per coil): 6.6294 cm x 1.7272 mm / 2.61" x 0.68" 6.6294 cm x 1.7272 mm / 2.61" x 0.68"
    Coil Material: ABS ABS
    Coil Winding Process: Machine Wound Machine Wound
    Pole Piece Material: Blade Blade
    Pole Piece Position from Nut: 47.3075 cm / 18.625" 59.52998 cm / 23.437 inches
    Magnet Material: Alnico II Deluxe Alnico II Deluxe
    Magnet Position from Nut: 48.26 cm / 19 " 58.7375cm / 23.125 "
    Magnet Dimensions: 9.525 cm x 12.7 mm / 2.375" x 0.5" 9.525 cm x 12.7 mm / 2.375" x 0.5"
    Cover: Chrome Chrome
    Qfactor: 3.72 2.99
    ResistanceDC: 17010 Ohms 26420 Ohms
    Resonant Frequency: 1719.07 Hz 1421.77 Hz
     
  11. flognoth

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    Traditionally the mini Humbuckers in Firebirds are not the same as those used in Les Pauls and I presume SG's.

    Without too much of a history lesson, from what I recall, the Les Paul mini Humbuckers were actually from Epiphone. They took the plastic case of a p90, drilled it out a bit and put the minis in there. I think this was first done around 1969 / 1970 on the Les Paul Deluxe. The SG and Les Paul have traditionally used similar parts, so it is likely both use the same mini humbuckers.

    Aside from the pole aesthetics, originally, mini humbuckers have a magnet positioned under each coil. Firebird mini humbuckers has a magnet in each coil. I think only the recent Firbird mini's are ceramic and the originals were alnico 5 magnets.

    Anyways, here's a link to a an article which has more info:
    https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Humbuckers_and_Mini_Humbuckers
     
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