Political Correctness

[Spunky]

[quote author=dbb link=topic=21462.msg257657#msg257657 date=1299531124]
Spunky, have you been to Northern Europe? they have socialism in various forms and these countries work fine; what failed socialist states are you referring to?
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dbb...Northern Eurpoe HAD a working socialist medical and other benefits program until unrestricted immigration brought in the Muslims who don't work and have 4 wives that have 12 babies each. Now all those countries services are almost non-existent as they are overwhelmed by the tsunami of immigrants.
The system works if there is a large enough working population that does not work for the state.
Unfortunately the scales have tipped for them and it is almost a done deal.

Same in California for the illegal Mexicans. 1/2 of the hospitals went bankrupt as they never got reimbursed for the services to the illegal aliens. Now with the state and Federal governments swelling, the revenue is even smaller.
This will happen state by state in the US as Muslim immigration swells and the Mexicans move East.

 

[dbb]

[quote author=Spunky link=topic=21462.msg257675#msg257675 date=1299555816]
dbb...Northern Eurpoe HAD a working socialist medical and other benefits program until unrestricted immigration brought in the Muslims who don't work and have 4 wives that have 12 babies each. Now all those countries services are almost non-existent as they are overwhelmed by the tsunami of immigrants.
The system works if there is a large enough working population that does not work for the state.
Unfortunately the scales have tipped for them and it is almost a done deal.

Same in California for the illegal Mexicans. 1/2 of the hospitals went bankrupt as they never got reimbursed for the services to the illegal aliens. Now with the state and Federal governments swelling, the revenue is even smaller.
This will happen state by state in the US as Muslim immigration swells and the Mexicans move East.


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Hmmm, I need to look into this - because what you say about CA is pretty true.

I'm for legal immigration - like my ancestors did when they came from Sicily - but not for giving an illegal immigrant carte blanche to the system.

 

[Ne_buddy]

To me the above term simply refers to the practice of addressing people according to the terms that they prefer to be addressed by.

There's nothing censorial, conspiratorial, or unreasonable about that.

 

[oldrockfan]

one thing is cyrstal clear here in teh USA, we have a growing number of draws on teh system but do not have the growth in workers paying into the system to fund it. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that is a problem. it wouldn't solve all our problems but putting a stop to paying benefits to illegals is something we need to do.

 

[Kevy Nova]

[quote author=Ne_buddy link=topic=21462.msg257689#msg257689 date=1299604581]
To me the above term simply refers to the practice of addressing people according to the terms that they prefer to be addressed by.

There's nothing censorial, conspiratorial, or unreasonable about that.
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I like the sound of that. From now on, please address me as "Venerable, High-Exalted, Grand Master Kevy Nova, Leader Supreme"

Thanks.

 

[Spunky]

[quote author=Kevy Nova link=topic=21462.msg257973#msg257973 date=1300613553]
I like the sound of that. From now on, please address me as "Venerable, High-Exalted, Grand Master Kevy Nova, Leader Supreme"

Thanks.
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Exactly.......

Being PC means you take your intellect and understanding and toss it into the toilet and flush it. Then believe anything anyone tells you and make sure you don't upset them in any way.

PC is another word for capitulation....

 

[Kevy Nova]

Even though I was making a joke, I actually agree with Ne_buddy. I think a lot of "PC" stuff is rubbish but I have no problem with addressing someone how they wish to be addressed. You can't expect people to respect you if you don't return it.

 

[Westy Q]

[quote author=Zeppelin Rules link=topic=21462.msg257635#msg257635 date=1299462205]
Ultimately though, I'm Canadian, and since we don't have free speech enshrined in our legal system, I guess I have a different take on it.
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Is that why you folks say "eh" so much?

 

[zulu]

In the UK, the only free speech is given to hate monger Imams such as Anjen Choudary while any non-Muslim that dare utter any words that upsets a Muslim is automatically placed in the category of hate speech. This is what happens when you lose free speech. The speech is only free for one side but not the other.

Spunky you pretty much summed up the uk there ...
I'm for legal immigration and the likes but when illegals don't turn up for court and are found years later living offv the state and then start protesting about how they shouldn't have benefits stopped
Could we go and express our views in their country as they do in ours ???! I'm sure we'd have our hands chopped off or be hanged for blasphemy. How many Christian churches u see in Iraq afganistan. How many mosques in uk. I believe they should have a place to worship their god in our country I really do. But when they stand outside the airbase where they bring the bodies of the soldiers home shouting death to infidels I think that's just despicable. Were does free speech end I know there's two sides to every coin and what the Whites did to the blacks was just as bad but ... What the British did to the Africans and afgans in their empire ...
Can't we all pick up a guitar n forget our differences. Talk about em not kill ourselves in some foreign land for no reason !


Sorry if I upset anyone here that's not my intention But I just don't seem fair sometimes ..!!

 

[Spunky]

Zulu, you covered the subject pretty well but let me point out a couple of facts to help everyone see the pattern.
It is a fact that all the KKK members were also Democrats. Every one of them...not a single Republican.
It is a fact that the slaves captured in Africa and shipped to the New World were captured and sold by MUSLIMS.
Picking up a guitar and forgetting our differences is great for an evening but know this other fact.
Each and every one of us by playing guitar is committing a serious sin in Islam and the penalty is death. So play guitar today because tomorrow it may be taken away as HARAM.
This is a fight for the food we eat, free speech, education, religion, music, legal system, and complete way of life. Just sitting around and saying peace and love and sucking on a bong does nothing to stop the perverted conditions that Islam wants to enforce on all of us. Besides drugs and alcohol are HARAM in Islam and you could get the death penalty.
Fact is that the blacks were property with a value so the whites tended to keep them alive where the Muslims killed every race over religion. Fact is that Islam has killed easily over 1000 times as many people than were ever imported into the New World as slaves. So as you said..."what the Whites did to the blacks was just as bad but ..." is not really accurate at all is it? 1000 times less people and all of them enslaved by Islam...makes a difference to me to know who sold the puppy to the pet store, a puppy mill or a loving owner and apparently the black slaves (raisenheads) were sold to the pet store by Muslims exclusively. So the legacy of every African American who can trace his/her lineage to that of an original slave brought to the New World owes their ancestors slavery to Islam alone. Whitey had nothing to do with it....


[quote author=zulu link=topic=21462.msg258320#msg258320 date=1301877529]
In the UK, the only free speech is given to hate monger Imams such as Anjen Choudary while any non-Muslim that dare utter any words that upsets a Muslim is automatically placed in the category of hate speech. This is what happens when you lose free speech. The speech is only free for one side but not the other.

Spunky you pretty much summed up the uk there ...
I'm for legal immigration and the likes but when illegals don't turn up for court and are found years later living offv the state and then start protesting about how they shouldn't have benefits stopped
Could we go and express our views in their country as they do in ours ???! I'm sure we'd have our hands chopped off or be hanged for blasphemy. How many Christian churches u see in Iraq afganistan. How many mosques in uk. I believe they should have a place to worship their god in our country I really do. But when they stand outside the airbase where they bring the bodies of the soldiers home shouting death to infidels I think that's just despicable. Were does free speech end I know there's two sides to every coin and what the Whites did to the blacks was just as bad but ... What the British did to the Africans and afgans in their empire ...
Can't we all pick up a guitar n forget our differences. Talk about em not kill ourselves in some foreign land for no reason !


Sorry if I upset anyone here that's not my intention But I just don't seem fair sometimes ..!!
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[zulu]

I don't know much about history n all ... An I didn't wana seem too opinionated as this is my first post in open mic.... I'm young in reality, it's just how it seems to me...
I've never looked into different faiths so I don't know whats good to a Muslim or bad ,.....
I just called it as I see it in the news..... The Papers. ....

As for the picking up a guitar. Im not a hippie type just tryna keep a light theme in all this If we all did it n talked then things wouldn't be so bad. Yeah ino itl never happen. Things only seem to be getting worse...

there are something which are truly unforgivable in my book an it seems to be the same people each time ....... The police officer who was beheadded in London by Muslims back in the 80's ( I think)
Im not racist I don't care what colour. Religion or anything else for that matter... Tell people your views But don't expect them to fully convert to your way of thinking,... And if they don't, Start a holy war And force em to Not good in my opinion

But hey this is why this topics here right. Let's see what you guys feel...

 

[Spunky]

You got potential there Zulu.

I understand youth and not knowing about world history in depth. I also know the terribly sorry news media that leaves out 90% of the truth and bends it all into the socialist/left direction.

Google the Muslim Brotherhood's goals and you will see the basis for every Muslim group out there. From the PLO to Jemaah Islamiyah in Indonesia, Abu Sayaaf in the Philippines and on an on. Look at the politicians that are cuddling up to and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. It is the same as aligning with Hitler in WWII because they are too chicken to call a spade a spade.

The Police Officer that was beheaded in the UK was killed by an ideology, not a person. He was killed for being a Kuffar or Infidel. The person that actually killed him did so under the express orders of his Imam or religious leaders. Once you study Islam, you find that it controls every aspect of life including exactly how to wipe your butt, have sex with your wife and how to and the ramifications if you injure a 1 year old girl while having sex with her. (It is allowed in Islam).

When we talk of multiculturism and Islam, it is a one way street. We non-Muslims (Dhimmi) respect Islam but they don't respect us. There is no freedom of speech in Islam nor women's rights or questioning authority. If they hand you a gun and tell you to kill, you do without question. If they fit you for a vest you blow up..no question. They believe that immediately upon death they are transported to a heavenly brothel where they endlessly shag 72 perpetual virgins and have all the pleasures denied then here on earth. Sounds like the promises of Satan to me but even an Athiest can understand the ramifications. Muslims can and will blow themselves up at any given moment if picked to do so. Most Muslims are illiterate so they are completely dependant on the Imam to tell them what to do. They believe the Koran is 100% the word of Allah and therefore to desecrate it is to destroy the word of God and much worse than destroying a Bible.

You want to pick up a guitar and play and talk, you won't be doing it with Muslims anytime soon.
Imagine trying to talk to a hungry lion...He doesn't care about logic or eloquence or facts and figures. He only follows his instinct. Same with Muslims and Islam no matter what they tell you. Taquiya is to lie to the Infidel in order to further Islam and a truce is only used to stop getting your butt kicked so you can regroup, rearm and to start the war again. This is why for 1400 years there have been wars with Islam and why millions of Christians have been murdered in the name of Islam long after the last Crusade ended.

 

[zulu]

Well you seem to know a lot more about this than I do... Don't speak out now theyl get you on some government lists for sure :-X

 

[sgtbeefheart]

[quote author=Spunky link=topic=21462.msg258346#msg258346 date=1301974628]

The Police Officer that was beheaded in the UK was killed by an ideology, not a person. He was killed for being a Kuffar or Infidel. The person that actually killed him did so under the express orders of his Imam or religious leaders.
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If you can repeat utter nonsense like this, it shines a strong light on everything else you repeat.

 

[sgtbeefheart]

[quote author=zulu link=topic=21462.msg258356#msg258356 date=1302003437]
Well you seem to know a lot more about this than I do... Don't speak out now theyl get you on some government lists for sure :-X
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Zulu, you could know more after a few hours of research.

Being mentored by Spunky is on a par with being mentored by a radical Jihadist.

Read for yourself, and read everything, not just web sites that promote one view or another.

 

[zulu]

Haha I'd like See his face when he reads that ;D. Yeah I'm not looking for a new religion or political view I just thought you guys might wana listen to a different view... But deffenatly should read around political issues.... I don't know if what he said is right or wrong... I'll find my own place in all this I'm sure... Thanks for you views :)

 

[Spunky]

sgtbeefheart.....

Hate to do this but I'm having this thread closed.
You have violated the TOS by personally attacking another member.
If you cannot or will not abide by the rules, someone has to make you abide.

I already explained to you that we choose to disagree and that is fine but your continued personal attacks are not allowed in a forum of open minded individuals.

 

[zulu]

Sorry if I've caused any waves, that was never my intention ... :-\

 

[Spunky]

Any opinion here should be welcomed. Not agreed with and debated is perfectly fine.
We all have our own opinions.
No waves were caused by you zulu.

Personal attacks are not allowed in any discussion whether on the Senate floor, in Parliament or in a forum.

That's the rules...period.....end of discussion......

 

[sgtbeefheart]

[quote author=Spunky link=topic=21462.msg258374#msg258374 date=1302039828]
sgtbeefheart.....

Hate to do this but I'm having this thread closed.
You have violated the TOS by personally attacking another member.
If you cannot or will not abide by the rules, someone has to make you abide.

I already explained to you that we choose to disagree and that is fine but your continued personal attacks are not allowed in a forum of open minded individuals.
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