Q's and advice for reversable mods '61std

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  1. Igonuts

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    Thoughts begging opinions/feedback.
    Ever since I saw Alice Cooper in ’69 er ’70 opening for Jethro Tull, with twin white SG customs playing Halo of flies, I wanted one. I have a guitar I will stay with. A new 61 std. But I started to brain storm while partaking in alternative recreational activities. First mistake I suppose. Anyway, I thought about vehicle wraps and applying it to a guitar. Popping my bubble, its been done. Still, was thinking of wrapping the SG in white. Buying all gold gibson hardware. Saving the oe stuff. Stenciling the std logo on the head stock. Obviously wrapping an SG with its scalloping is problematic. Maybe it could be done like some older Lps where just the top is different. Face and forward facing scallops. Top of the head stock only. Not the neck. Then would it be all white or would it be a tuxedo type. White with black pg and both trcs. Dont know what to do bout pot nobs/switch n surround.

    My biggest issue is, I cant do this. Physically not capable anymore. Which brings me here to ask of all you gurus out there in ETSG land, how and who.
    Would I buy said wrap and hardware? And should I take it to a generic tech I don’t personally know at GC Nashville, or a luthier? Doing just the face would require taking blade to wrap. No cut marks would be preferable.

    I’d really appreciate and value some advice and maybe some examples (gratuitous guitar porn) of like ventures.
    And me thinks it was Col Mustard said once, "pictures or it never happened". That will be a bit. Finances are set to change shortly. I'll do a before after.

    So, Ty all.
     
  2. pancake81

    pancake81 Well-Known Member

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    Good evening IGoNuts.

    Always keeo this in mind, anything is possible. It just comes down to if the juice is worth the squeeze for you. It sounds like you are considering doing a vinyl wrap on your guitar, and thankfully that likely removed the biggest inhibitor that stops peoples progress on projects; and that is cost. Many folks have big visions, but when they get a big qoute they have to weigh how much they really want it. Fortunately for you, vinyl wrap is actually pretty affordable!

    I had a friend once that worked at a auto vinyl place (20 years go) and they did all kinds of cool stuff. No reason why you couldn't wrap a guitar. I did a quick google search and found a company called guitar skins that will probably give some ideas and further detail. Once you find the product you want, you will have to find a competent person to install it. Don't worry, this should not cost much. But it is defitinely worth having a pro do the install. Nothing looks worse than bubbles on a vinyl job!! The other consideration is the vinyl will require some trimming which involves a razor. Just another job to a pro, but I wouldn't be taking a razor near my guitars, no Sir. Thankfully vinyl is removable with no lasting negative effects on the instrument (that I am aware of), so long as no damage is done during the install it a pretty low risk adventure.

    Check out some vinyl companies such as the one I posted below and it may also be worth walking into a local (auto) vinyl shop and getting some input from the pros face to face. From the sounds of it you have a REALLY nice guitar. So be calculated with your project and ensure to protect that guitar.

    My only thought in regards to the install is that SG's have a bevel that runs around most of the guitar. The vinyl should be able to wrap on that with no issues (folding bubbling), but thats where a pro install comes in. Same with clean edges were the heel joint is.

    In regards to photos... yes, we LOVE to see photos. How about starting us off with a photo of the guitar in question?


    https://www.rvinyl.com/Guitar-Skins
    https://vinylwraptoronto.com/simpsons-guitar-wrap/


    This will give you an idea of how good a pro wrap job can look. Maybe the wrong theme, but the right idea and the right application

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  3. everdying

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    u should just find a USED white epi SG Custom...

    also there's no telling what kind of chemical reaction u would get with the glue from the wrap with the nitro finish...

    it may bubble as the nitro continues to cure etc... worse it may just damage the guitar finish.
     
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  4. Igonuts

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    So here's my epi MIC faded version of a 60's something std and my new std 61. Been refering to the epi as a 400. But im prolly wrong on that. Im old and have forgotten. And i cant find the listing or the sheet anymore. Only a few years old, 450 a4 pups i think. Positive on the a4. me thinks it a fadded glory sompin. Around 450 USD.
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    Realy dont like the epi. Neck is too flimsy. Maybe i should try *my hand with that one. Btw, getting a new case for the std. That one is askew. Look how the keys are closer to one side as the other. The top half of the latch near the handle tore into the case covering upon first opening the case. Peeled the covering off right down to the wood.
    @everdying,
    Got an epi guinea pig
    Dont believe theres glue involved. Just an ultra clean surface and a wee bit of water. Which purdy much all is squeezed out. Its the suction/vacuum if you will that holds the film in place. To remove, one lightly heats w a simple blow dryer and it peels it off. Just like an auto wrap.
     
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  5. Igonuts

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    Dude, whats the back side look like? Thats what i couldnt figure out. 'Swhy i thought of just the forward/front facing surfaces. Trimming at top of sides. But if yours works in the back (idk), ah, i cant imagine how it would work.
    And yeah, i came up w the same search results. Tnx there.
     
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  6. pancake81

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    a good wrap job should be flawless unless your holding it and know what to look for. Most folks would call it paint or wood (flame) with it literally in their hands.
     
  7. Igonuts

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    Ah, so its trimmed on the back side. And it shrank around the tips of the horns? Did you do that or have it done?
    I was thinkin like just the top and the front facing scallops only. Then say, a black 1/8"/3mm pin stripe film if you will too seperate the two finishes. look like a pro two tone finish. Like on a vehicle. But again, i physicaly cant do it. Im too messed up.
     
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    Yes, to have a job that looks that professional there would be lots of trimming. And that's okay. That's what makes a pro job professional. That's why I say don't by $50 worth of vinyl yourself and go to town with a razor. That install would be reasonable. May $70-100 (my estimate).
     
  9. everdying

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    ah k, cos ur initial post said u were gonna do the wrap on the 61 std.

    if it's on the epi... go right ahead...
    and yes there is some adhesive involved...over here the auto wraps are from 3M...im sure other brands also have adhesive...
     
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    just sell or trade the EPI for white model. Cheaper, quicker and done right.
     
  11. Igonuts

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    Yeah, no. Sorry. I wanna have the gib wrapped much like a gold on white custom. The epi would have been the guinea pig. But reading pancakes reply, me thinks a pro installer is in order.
     
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    My opinion... Keep the gibson stock, guinea pig the epi. If you want a white Gibson, sell and buy one. Can't make it simpler than that.

    Alos, it is time to peel that drying condom off of your 61! No offence, but when the shrink wrap is bubbling, you have to let it go. It is not even adding to value at that point
     
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  13. everdying

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    i still wouldn't wrap a Gibson cos of the nitro finish.

    also the wrap, while it may look nice from far... up close especially plain white would just look real artificial... like a white kitchen top...
    cos there is no "depth" to the finish from spraying multiple layers of clear coat...
     
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  14. Igonuts

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    Yeah, ok.

    Yeah, ok.
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    To you both,
    Y'all r ganging up on me. N i deserve it. Lol.
    Condom going bye bye, gibby stays as is. The epi to me aint worth the time or money. I realy hate that guit. Never hated a guit b4. Not exactly true. But it wont accept .008s to my liking, too neck heavy, and the neck is flimsy. Slightly tilted in my lap and its outa tune. And its a set neck. Go figure. And im not impressed w that fadded look either. Nice and glossy where my forearm comes in contwact w it thou. Buffed that right out. Ick! Heckle, if i thought i could get away w it, id trade it straight across for an entry level 250 USD~ fender acoustic. W/O a case!!!!

    Next y'all be ragging on me to cut the string ends. Lol. Idk bout that thou. Its what they used to say bout my hair. Lol.
    Arg. Good. Nite. Nother day.
    PS,
    AND I AINT SELLING THE GIBBY. I'M IN LOVE!!!! JUMP HER EVERY CHANCE I GET. CAN I GET AN AMEN.......
    Tnx guys.
     
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    Keep the Gibson the way it is, except cut the strings short and bend them down
    so they don't poke under your finger nails. The way they are now, they poke your
    eyes out. The Gibson is an excellent guitar, and shouldn't be garbled up with plastic.
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    If you want a white Gibson, save the money you'd pay for the plastic stuff and buy one.
    that's the best solution: Buy what you want, done right. Don't spend a lot of money on
    an "Art Guitar."

    Trade your epi that you don't like in ... on a white Epiphone SG. Then keep the pair.
    *grins
     

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