Replacement tuners on Norlin 73.

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  1. Repo251

    Repo251 New Member

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    Hi can anyone help me with the peg hole size on the Norlin 70s SGs? I wanna replace the terrible tuners on mine with some Grovers. The bore hole size is 10mm on most Grover and Kluson replacements.... will it fit? Worse case it’s too small..
    Thanks in advance. 0034CAA3-CB5A-4EA0-89E3-C06AB2AA7241.jpeg DFEA0A83-94FF-4331-A314-A6447CB29957.jpeg D58EED53-0C1B-4D01-B575-7D5EC45FABA1.jpeg
     
  2. everdying

    everdying Well-Known Member

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    u could always replace them with schallers.
     
  3. Repo251

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    Thanks, great idea.. it seems Grovers on an SG equals neck dive,. 027EEC33-63A6-4762-B6B9-AB299E2F2484.jpeg
     
  4. everdying

    everdying Well-Known Member

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    there are also the Schallers that those 70s tuners are based of...and would be a direct replacement...
    i think they're still in production... of cos the ones now don't say "Made in W. Germany" like they used to :p
     
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  5. Bob Womack

    Bob Womack Well-Known Member

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    It is my understanding that most of the tuners these days are made in China by Ping, regardless of their brand name.

    Bob
     
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  6. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    True that.
    Even the stock tuners on recent models have the P.W. (Ping Works) stamp on them.

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  7. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    Grover Rotomatics and the locking versions may cause neck dive.

    Grover 135N will not cause neck dive, which are a direct replacement of stock tuners of the style pictured below.

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  8. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    I’d wager that those stock tuners on the ‘73 are Schaller M6 180 with the G name stamped and keystone buttons.

    https://schaller.info/en/m6-series/270/m6

    You do know that unless a tuner is broken, most tuning problems are caused by strings getting stuck in the nut slots, right?

    The only reason I have ever replaced tuners are when they actually fall apart.

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  9. PermissionToLand

    PermissionToLand Well-Known Member

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    Do you know how long they've been made by Ping for? Apparently the original version of these that showed up in the '80s was designed by Grover. I'll have to do some digging because I've just been calling them all "Grover Kluson-style tuners" on the wiki.
     
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  10. Repo251

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  11. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    I have seen those version.
    Those are double ring Kluson style with the modern hex bolt bushings.

    Double ring Kluson style tuners with the vintage style press fit bushings were used on Standards and Customs from the 1961-71 era.
     
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  12. cerebral gasket

    cerebral gasket Well-Known Member

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    The ones in the photo I posted were pulled from a 2000 SG Special.

    Kluson-style is what I always referred to them as. Not sure who actually designed them.

    It’s difficult to keep track of who the OEM of anything manufactured these days is as companies are always being bought out by other companies and different manufacturing plants being used.
     
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  13. Repo251

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    Thanks for the input.. I quite fancy the schaller but you know sb just advised putting pencil lead on the nut of the tricky G string and I think it might be working... goddammit if it does after 23 years with this axe and that “dodgy” G string tuning ..
     
  14. Slick George

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    I mix graphite with machine oil and dip a toothpick into it whenever I change the strings. The oil makes it easier for me to apply the graphite to the notches.
    The tuners are standard Gibson Deluxe, that some consider worthy to be upgraded because they seemingly won't hold the pitch. Since I started lubing the notches I've never had a problem with them. I can do behind-the-nut bends up to three semi-tones no problem.
    I will always recommend to take a good look at your nut and saddles before buying a new set of tuners because they won't solve your problem until any other probable issue is resolved.
    If you want to do it for other reasons, of course, that's another case.
     
  15. Repo251

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    Thanks very much for that! Yes I’ve noticed that the G string is better already! Machine oil and toothpick sounds great!
     
  16. Slick George

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    You're welcome! Hope it works for you as it does for me.
     
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  17. everdying

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    i used GraphitAll...
     
  18. Southpa

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    These are the original Grover HPIM4165.JPG tuners on my '74 SG Special.
     
  19. Repo251

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    Cool!
     
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    TRIM.
    YOUR.
    STRINGS.
    :wow:
     

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