SG Pilot Run.

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  1. Yohamy

    Yohamy New Member

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    D8A94CA9-771B-41FA-81AC-540B50B1B4FB.jpg Hi guys. New member here.

    so i got my hands on a SG Custom Shop Pilot Run with a batwing pickguard. It has 57 Classics with Alnico 3 magnets.

    The SG sounds wery resonant and loud unplugged, but dull, muffled and low output through my amps compared to my Les Paul. I switched the pickups over for both guitars (throbaks in the lp) - same result. The LP sounds open, more bright with more bite. The SG still dull and muffled.

    Could this be a wiring/pot issue?
     
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    Hmmm... interesting. No doubt the Sg and LP will sound different, but neither should be sounding dull or muffled, especially the 57’s.

    I suggest going to basics and rolling the tone up to brighten it up and the. Proceed to amp settings. You may want to ensure all pots and switching are functioning. If you have a dead pot on the tone and it’s stuck at 0 that could explain it. Although highly unlikely on a new guitar.

    So tell me... how does one come across a pilot run? Any chance you want to sell off those witch hats?
     
  3. Paul Hickman

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    I had a 2014 SGJ that sounded great unplugged, but lifeless, and choked when plugged in. I yanked out the circuit board bs, and reinstalled everything point to point wired. Sounded better. Then swapped the pups out to 490/498 and it sounded great. Hated the neck profile tho, traded it for a double neck Epiphone.
     
  4. Yohamy

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    Thanks for the reply guys! :smile:

    This SG was purchased from Ishibashi in Japan. Great dealer btw. Look up SGST on solidguitar fandom for more information about this model

    All electronics works fine, but even with tone/vol on 10, it just sound restrained some how. Not the bite, pronounced mids and clearity one would expect from an SG.

    The pots are branded "Gibson" could they be 300k?

    It’s frustrating. I really love this guitar. Light weight, neck feels great, and resonant and lively... until you plug it in.

    Using a Marshall 2061x, so ain’t got much (more) eq to try to balance it

    @pancake81 sorry, but the witchats stays :dude:
     
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    Thanks for the information on the SGST, just read up on them. Great guitar! Let’s get that sound figured out
     
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    Have you played with pickup height ?
     
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    excellent point Doctor
     
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  8. Yohamy

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    No, not so much. They are set pretty high, with pole pieces adjusted to compensate the pickup tilt
     
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    DrBGood Well-Known Member

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    Everything being relative, what is pretty high to you ?

    Adjusting your pickup height is the cheapest, fastest, easiest, most effecient way to get a better tone out of any electric guitar. Each guitar/pickup has a sweet spot, just gotta find it. All you need is a screwdriver and your ears.
     
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  10. Huntroll

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    Compare its wiring to the les paul.
    It should be the same.
    Make sure one of the tone pots terminals, (the low side), is not connected to ground.
    Its a common mistake unfortunately.
     
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    Here's a pic of a tone pot incorrectly wired on the "low side".

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  12. Yohamy

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    here is the Les Paul vs the SG wiring. Guess the lp has 50’s?

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  13. Yohamy

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    i usually set the bridge at 2 mm / 0.10" and neck at 4 mm / 0.20" measuring from the pole pieces to the bottom of the strings. This was definitly the sweet spot for the Lester, but i will fiddle some more with height in the SG. Thanks!
     
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    On my SG, I have at least double those measurements.

    2004 G400 pickups height.jpg
     
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    Won’t that affect the output a great deal?
    Here are my current settings. I think the Les Paul has it’s sweet spot that high, more or less flush with the rings, but i will try lowering the ones in the SG. Thanks!

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    You want a good clear tone ? Volume you can get from an amp anytime.
     
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    I looked at your pictures.
    It is exactly what I said it was.
    Look at the tone pots.
    The SG has the low side terminals connected to ground.
    The les Paul does not.
    The center terminal is supposed to to be grounded.
    The outer terminal should not be grounded.
    The Les Paul is correct.
    The SG is not.
    Get a soldering iron and lift the outer terminal off of the pot case, (ground).
    Then enjoy your guitar as it should be !
     
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    Its pretty clear how it should be in this picture -

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    Yes, and volume is not a problem either, but beeing a non-MV Marshall, i find that the pickups lose the ability to drive the amp when adjusted too low. I usually run the amp at 8-10 and roll off volume on the guitar for cleans
     
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    I misread that at first. I will definitly try that and report back! Thanks.
     

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