so is my '70 allowed in the vintage club?

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  1. LarryC

    LarryC Active Member

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    hope so,here's a shot of her,This is the guitar that finally opened my eyes to the SG!.......she's a player not a collector piece.. sg3.jpg
     
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    shreddy bender Well-Known Member

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    It belongs here in my eyes. It's a 70 vintage guitar. Just like a wine can be a 2015 vintage.

    Looks awesome!
     
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    Thats Nice
     
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    I can't see anybody having a problem with a guitar as nice as that :yesway:
     
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    syscokid Well-Known Member

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    How do you insert the strings on that tailpiece?
     
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    I think the nicely etched plate is a cover you can remove.
     
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    syscokid Well-Known Member

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    Gotcha... but how are the strings secured at the tailpiece?

    Normal:
    s370755452263514476_p197_i17_w1280.jpg

    LarryC's:
    sg3.jpg
     
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    Can't lift it to show you. We'll have to wait for Larry.
     
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    smitty_p Well-Known Member

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    Is your 1970 SG allowed it the Vintage Club?

    It depends on who you ask. 1969 is often taken as the last year an SG would be considered "Vintage." If this line of demarcation is accepted, your 1970 SG (and my 1974 SG) would not qualify as vintage instruments. I suppose the preferred qualification would be that they are "classic" SGs.

    Loosely speaking, SGs from the 1970's are often included in the Vintage category. Though, those of a more purist mindset would not include the 1970's. Usually, I roll my eyes at purist considerations, but I'm not too opinionated on this issue. Setting 1969 as the dividing line doesn't bother me. I'm not an ardent defender of it, either. At some point, you do have to have a dividing line. For example, we wouldn't consider a 2010 SG to be vintage!

    Personally, I have no issues with the idea of my 1974 SG not being considered a vintage guitar. It doesn't affect how I feel about it or enjoy it.
     
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    Thanks for the nice comments,I definitely feel lucky to own it.
    Yes,I had a feeling the tailpiece would raise some eyebrows. There are holes that were drilled at the end of the trem piece.It works great,I love the etched '74 on the cover,shows the history,this was somebody's player for a long time...the only thing is I have to unscrew the cover on the one side to lift the plate when I change strings.I have yet to break a string (knock on wood) so it's not really an issue,if a string does break that's what a backup is for.But I have pretty much stopped using this guitar playing out now,it stays at home.
     
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    {Minor rant}
    That 1969 rule is some corksniffer BS. Granted, it is the last pre Norlin.....and the end of the period of acceptable innovation. God forbid Gibson improves something to better than it was in the 50s/60s!
    You know, that's like my opinion, man.
    {End minor rant}

    I still like ya Smitty! Plus we agree!

    The rule of thumb with antique folks as I've been taught
    • Collectable > 25 years old
    • Classic / Vintage 25-75 years old
    • Antique < 75 years

    Seems to be about right for our purposes I'd say.
     
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    "What is a vintage guitar?
    While an antique is defined as an object over 100 years old, there's no strict chronological definition of what makes something vintage. Typically, though, guitars around 30 years old or older fall into that category, and even newer instruments will often be labeled as such by sellers. In the wine world, vintage can refer to anything of a certain quality, and there are some who take the same perspective with guitars. On Reverb, we usually consider anything made prior to 1980 as being vintage."
    https://reverb.com/page/vintage-guitar-faq
     
  13. deMelo

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    Shreddy is a simple man with simple and very WISE words.

    There's no such thing as "old enough to be vintage". Vintage is any guitar that belongs to a certain batch or period and can be recognisable for being from that time/lot. The rest is corksniffery.

    Of course, there are more valuable/old vintages than others...

    My 1994 Stratocaster, for instance, is only 22 years old but is definitely a vintage guitar, it was made in Brazil, with very particular specs, in a partnership of Fender USA and Giannini Musical Instruments, a partnership that lasted 4 years, after which the model (southern cross series) was completely discontinued. Is it as valuable as a 1962 Strat? Nowhere near. Is it a "vintage" instrument? Definitely yes.

    Your original 46 years old 1970 Gibson SG is ok here. A plain 2016 Epiphone G400, still in production with factory specs, on the other hand, wouldn't be.
     
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    Over in the plain Ole Gibson SG forum, nobody talks about the SG Custom. Juniors, Specials and small-peghead Standards only. so, to read about the SG Custom, I drop by the Vintage SG section, as that's where they're most commonly listed. Also, high end SG'standard are frowned upon in the Gibson SG'standard section.
     
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    That's 'cause the corksniffers tend to congregate there. Here, if it looks like an SG, we like it. New, old, foreign, domestic, stock or modded, it has a place here. Heck, we even like other guitars, maybe not the same ones mind you, but SG's are where it's at!
     
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    Which other forum are you guys talking about?
     
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    One question...not directed at anybody. This is more of a casual inquiry....

    Why do we even have the "need" to see any of our guitars as vintage?

    Sometimes, it seems the insistence by some to include any particular guitar in the "Vintage" category is as emotionally charged as the insistence by someone else to exclude it from that category.

    Do we really need that label to make us appreciate or feel more special about our guitars?
     
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    The official Gibson hosted one if I'm not mistaken. Lurked there before coming here.....better vibe here.

    I don't recall any exclusionary posts.....

    While I don't own a vintage instrument by any "official" definition I don't know that I'd need that label. Doesn't stop me from appreciating an older axe be it a survivor, rehab, or mod monster for the fact it made it this far. My 2¢
     
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    I agree, I think we are beyond that sort of thinking here.I was basically joking around when I started this thread,just wanted an excuse to whore out my axe:smile:
     
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    smitty_p Well-Known Member

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    You're correct. I wasn't referring to any post here. I was referring to a general exclusionary mindset of others in the vintage world.
     
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