The Truth About Marshall Stacks (there, I said it)

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  1. oldrockfan

    oldrockfan Well-Known Member

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    hey Rev, been a while since I've seen you posting. Good to see you and really dig the amp collection you have working there. BTW, the trick you told me about putting the subway rocket on a stand works great. It is the only way I play my rocket now!
     
  2. revelroy

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    actually, THIS was the pic I was looking for.[​IMG]
    I bought a vibro champ after downsizing again and again.
    First I played an Ampeg V-4 1/2 stack which sounded like GOD but was ridiculous. Then I bought the 1983 boogie Mk-IIC combo which was cool as hell, but STILL really too loud to overdrive the power tubes at gigs. Then I bought the good old tried-and- true 72 Deluxe reverb and IT was STILL too loud to crank. So then I get the 64 Princeton reverb, and then my first Vibro Champ. Now THAT amp had the tone! the sweetest tremolo ever! I had apprehension but I tried it at a gig, [mic'd] and it was FINE! On the stand, I was able to hear myself, even though I play with a 2 guitar, bass,drums,keyboards. I dug it so much, that I wanted a back up amp for it just in case.. I ended up finding and buying a 73 BRONCO [same exact amp, just with a different name on the faceplate! and rarer too!], THEN I got a back up for the back up!!
    The other amp in this picture is the SUPER champ [1983] 2x6V6w/ 10"speaker, all shoehorned into the same cab as a vibro champ! CRAZY!
     
  3. oldrockfan

    oldrockfan Well-Known Member

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    rev, that pair on the left look exactly like my old vibrachamp. Actually the one difference is mine was pretty beat up from alot of banging around in our drummers pickup truck :laugh2:

    I will eventually find another one, just a matter of time. I travel alot and enjoy hitting up the local pawn shops when I am on the road. Amazing some of the things you can find at little mom and pop pawn shops.
     
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    Voxman Moderator Staff Member

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    Pretty cool Roy! :applause:

    Here's my fav champ! ... and it sounds like a marshall stack thou the 56` Bassman takes No Quarter , it has 2 rectifier tubes for that killer sag! The champ needs only one knob as it has all the tone in the world while a tone control would be a waste of parts on that amp!~ On top of a 56` Deluxe and a 58` Super

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  5. dbb

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    Welcome back revelroy!
     
  6. Zeppelin Rules

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    What's that? I can't hear you over the roar of my JMP :)



    I would argue that if you want that iconic Marshall sound, none of the combos they make really cut it in the same way. As someone else mentioned, you only get that cranked sound one way--by cranking it up. Your ears hear sound differently at those volumes, as do the microphones and everything else in the signal chain.

    Similarly, for some kinds of music, such as metal, the sound is based more on preamp gain and 100 watt heads are prized more for their headroom than their volume. It allows for a good amount of volume while avoiding the sag associated with power-tube breakup. Same with 412s, you're only going to get that bottom end one way.


    I've compromised somewhat. Although I've got the 100 watt head, I'm running it through an old Marshall 4x10 cabinet, so it's not as heavy and large and it doesn't move as much air.

    I'm also going to be grabbing an attenuator sometime soon.


    I think when it comes down to it, an amp is a tool and some tools are better suited to some jobs than others. For that reason, the 100 watt stack will always have a place in the guitarists arsenal.
     
  7. sgtbeefheart

    sgtbeefheart Well-Known Member

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    I also like small amps, but, a word of warning.

    If you have more than one, don't ever leave them alone, you
    don't know what they'll get up to when your back is turned.

    Warning, amp porn!!

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    I dig this thread. Same as since the late 60's when I first started playing, no amp has the passionate following of Marshall and you guys that love them.

    Like Zeppelin Rules says, "an amp is a tool and some tools are better suited to some jobs than other".

    Now where's my Yamaha G-100 III head?
     
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    I think we need to do a small tube amp thread.
     
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    Every time I see that pic, I get nervous...there's no way in hell I would ever be able to freestand those fiddles like that long enough to take a pic! But, I suppose when you can build em yourself, it takes some of the worry out of the equation, eh? :ohno: :laugh2:
     
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    So, if Marshall stacks are too much, what do ya'll think of my super cool Fender Champ Stack!!!



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    (Okay, okay...I admit it...it's not real...just a little bit of copy and paste in MS Paint. But, still kinda weird, huh?)
     
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    It's the opposite extreme!
     
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    Giant amps do look cool on stage. :dude:

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    I never liked the giant microphone, though.
     
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    dbb Well-Known Member

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    Dorian, whenever you do post something, it's worth waiting for! Giant amp indeed...
     
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    My favourite Rig pic, and all small amps, I think.

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    What, among other things a small Supro?
     
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    I remember reading about that Grateful Dead rig years ago and, if I recollect, each instrument has it's own giant stack. I think it's mainly JBL speakers powered by Macintosh amps and the vocal mid/high section is the curved cluster above the drums. Thus, no remote mixing desk, only mixed by the individual members on stage! :wow:
     
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    My wife was given a crappy electric guitar and a Fender Vibra Champ by her parents one year while she was in HS. The crappy guitar is gone, but we still have the Vibra Champ. Great little amp.

    On another note: Neil Young's goto stage amp is an old ancient Fender Deluxe Tweed. What were they, something like 12-15 watts?

    Q : Where do you get your feedback? From the gain of the amp, or a pedal?
    NEIL : The volume. There is no gain on the amp. And we don't use distortion pedals. Just the Fender Deluxe.
     
  20. Zeppelin Rules

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    He's also built a device that's basically a servo motor attached the volume knob so he can store presets that will turn the knob up and down to get more or less crunch.
     

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