Discussion in 'Gibson SG' started by sgguitarzz, Mar 14, 2021.
You are correct, and saw the same pages we all see !
I will answer one last time:
1) I am not your Bud...and WHO? IT WAS ME, and I replied to you based on not wasting too much of my time on your insipid remarks, THATS WHO ! OK?
2) Saying that we disagree is my nice way of saying to you that "I AM NOT A PHYSICIST", and I very much doubt if you are a PHYSICIST as well" . There fore you will not get a debate from me that is uninformed on the PHYSICS subject...
U C, I went by my experience buying, playing and working on GIBSON GUITARS for over 40 years. My guitars sound great, and I did not put yours down saying it.
and just for $#!TS and Giggles, and because you make me laugh,and you may learn something (What? I am not sure and, once again, dont care what you learn or think you know . Because that is how off putting I find you.) BUT, I digress: put a Les Paul or SG FADED, SPECIAL, STANDARD and CUSTOM next to each other, IDGAS which years you select either, and just start PLAYING THEM ALL UN-PLUGGED, and then if you do not hear a difference in the quality of the woods, CONGRATULATIONS...You are DEAF !
I am going to ignore you from now on.
btw, I thought I was wrong once, but it turned out I MADE A MISTAKE, duh ?
Man, you really are easily offended, huh? I think your defensiveness and lack of emotional control says everything. Humility is a virtue, bud. I believe that you believe you can hear a difference. Even though that's not how electric guitars produce sound. What would an acoustical engineer know?
Please do ignore me, just like you do anything else that contradicts your pre-existing beliefs.
I have a small vibrola P90 Special from 2019 (as per my name picture), and it needed some Faber locking studs to aid bridge stability (they fitted straight into the existing holes, no drilling or messing around at all) - I also changed the bridge to a mojoaxe bridge (pretty similar to the original), and the tuning stability and sustain are excellent.
I wish I had kept my first SG. It was a ‘67 (I think). Bought new somewhere around my 15th birthday. Now, I STILL only have one wife but 4 SG’s. Variety . . . It will keep you smiling!
Well I got to try a 61 Standard hard tail at GC yesterday. It was so light which was nice but the neck again was thicker so I do not think there is much consistency in that area. The guitar was setup horribly and just played and sounded terrible. Worst sounding SG I have played or heard to date. Like I said every guitar is its own thing.
Maybe you meant the neck had a wider nut, not thicker (front to back).
1-11/16 nut width vs the vintage 1-9/16.
I always thought most SG with the "61" designation had a thin neck (front to back).
Their site specifies the Standard '61 as having a Slim Taper neck profile. and a 1.69" (1-11/16") nut width, which I think is consistent with originals up until '65? Hard to keep up, they changed specs as often as Imelda Marcos changed shoes.
Beautiful Oxblodd SG Standard
The nut was definitely wider but the neck also seemed thicker.
Gibsons have always had necks shaped by hand so there is a lot of variation. They have called "Slim Taper" everything from .85" at the 12th fret to as thick as 1.10" at the 12th. At least now they are more specific and refer to the thicker Historic '61 necks as a "1960 Slim Taper". Which I thought was just a typo, but it turns out they're using the 1960 Les Paul neck profile on those. Still confusing to most people though. So they make a big distinction between 1960 Slim Taper and 1961 Slim Taper. Whether there was actually a significant difference between those years in reality, I don't know.
That just reinforces my thoughts of why it is necessary to try before you buy.
I was rotating out my guitars (selling and purchasing) every year for about a decade until a couple of years ago I finally settled on a few that I really enjoy playing.
Try a Junior.
Legend has it that the absence of a neck pup on a Junior reduces any magnetic string pull that may occur. As a result, having only one pup can make for a better sustaining electric guitar.
I do like the simplicity of a single P-90 and wraparound bridge.
I like that yellow one. . All very nice though
100% yes on #2. Same here, At 50, I played #1 Std into retirement (literally) and FINALLY pulled the trigger on #2 Std. They feel completely different but I found that after getting used to a new neck, frets, pickups, etc...it is very enjoyable to play. In hindsight, I don't know why I waited so long. Hope you enjoy #2 as much as I do!
Thank you. I lucked out and got an incredible 61 Standard reissue. Amazing sound and action and maybe 6 pounds. Fun guitar to play. I have done a few rehearsals and gigs with it and its a keeper. The only change I made was to change out the Gibson Deluxe tuners to Klusons which was a huge improvement.
Bro, I'm sure U kno U cant go wrong with an SG Standard, and IMO, from any year. Currently there is a supply shortage of new ones, 2021 Models...AAMOF, IDK if the 2021's are even out yet and have yet to see one.
A thought (OR 2 )?
The 2020 SG '61 Standard from the 'ORIGINAL' series has a 22nd Fret Neck Joint.Initially GIBSON saw that as one of the initial problems (like the Sideways Vibrola) w/the new Model Guitar GIBSON came up with, the 1961 Les Paul/SG ....IDK if it was the position of the NJ or the fact that GIBSON was too cheap to use enough glue, or both? IDK, but they did move the Neck Joint to the 19TH Fret around October 1966(I Think) as many '61-'65 SG necks were breaking and the Guitar suffered, like a lotta people sometimes do, from 'WOBBLES' (BWAH HA AHA!) and that was EXACTLY why GIBSON moved the Neck Joint in 1966(date?)...... BUT the '61 R&T Pickup's in the 2020 '61 SG Standard 'ORIGINAL' series have better pickups than the 490's in the 2020(1?) 'MODERN' SG Standard, IMO...so I took out the 490R from the neck position dropped a '61R in the Neck Position and put a '57 classic in the Bridge Position.......AND IT MADE A HUGE difference in the way the guitar sounds.It went from being a real Good sounding Guitar to being a Completely BAD-A$$ Axe, and all with GIBSON USA Stock Pickup's. One from a 2015 SG Special & One from 2019 SG 'Original'. It cost me about $8 to put a Mounting Ring on the Bridge Positon '57 Classic Pickup (ALA 'ANGUS') to get the strings and pickup's a bit more parallel to each other....Like on one or two of Angus Young's Bat-Wing equipped SG's.
After buyin the HScase the damage was $1556 all-in.Total cost was $1556 payable over four years(ICFBT). All I did was show my gear card Credit Card and license and I walked right out of GC with the Guitar.
The point of all this is that within your economic zone you can do exactly this and get a brand new GIBSON USA 'Modern Series' SG Standard guitar that is BAD-A$$ rather than something someone else has been getting their DNA all over (Cue the GAGGING SOUND...HERE !) and who knows what else. As for people that think the new GIBSON SG's arent what they used to be, thats Cow-Dung IMO...I have never played a properly functioning GIBSON SG, from any year, that was a dud. There are plenty of poorly set-up SG's out there that might not sound as good as they could BUT that is not the Guitars fault. In fact, I would say that there are extremely few bad GIBSON SG guitars and that I never owned a bad one......there are definitely a lot of poorly set up ones that could sound much better with a li'l 'dialing in'...ur makin a great choice if I may say by buying one. I HOPE YOU ROCK THAT BAD-A$$ !
Good luck whatever you end up doing and maybe post a pic of it when u get it ? A lot of People like to see the NEW ones, THINK VISUALS.
I came into a bit of money this year and picked up a couple of 2021 '61s, one vintage cherry with the Maestro vibrola and the other an ebony hardtail (that one is an exclusive you have to order directly from Gibson on their website). They both played very well straight out of the box and I like the Burstbucker pickups. Initially, I was leery of the vibrola because I have heard stories about their ability to stay in tune, but after a short time playing and breaking it in, it stays in tune just fine (I bought it because the tailpiece looked so damn cool). It absolutely is not a Floyd Rose, but a "wiggle stick" in the very sense of that term and generally I only use it for subtle vibrato once in a while. Most of the time the vibrola arm is turned over to the tail end of the guitar. The '61s definitely have a "D" shaped neck, which is flatter on the back and creates a kind of "feel" illusion that the necks are wider than a more traditional "C" shape.
I'm fairly sure the modern Standard is a great guitar and if you want to save $300-500 you probably can't go wrong there, but if you're willing to lay out a little extra, definitely check out a '61 if you have a chance.
This was the post I made from the Gibson 61 Standard I ended up buying. The only change I made was upgrading to the Kluson Revolutions because the Gibson Deluxes it came with were pretty bad. Great guitar. Light, set up great, nice pickups, beautiful Gibson case and GC gave me a great deal. I have played several gigs with it and very happy. Its a very different guitar than my 69 SG but really happy with it.
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