Thinking of getting a second SG

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We don’t know for sure if Gibson still uses the same grading system they used up to 2017. In 2018 their spec sheets became much less detailed. However, there is enough evidence to suggest Gibson at least still weighs their body blanks and allocate them to models according to weight.

If we go to LPs where weight it more of an issue and compare a few models, it seems to suggest Gibson weigh mahogany blanks. For instance, if we compare the Les Paul Classic and Standard ‘60s. Classic has 9-hole weight relief, while Standard ‘60s has no weight relief. However, they roughly have a similar average weight. Furthermore, I did find sub 9lbs Standard ‘60s, while I don’t remember ever finding a sub 9lbs Classic.

Comparing the Slash Standard with the Standard ‘50s. Again on average, very similar weights. On median and mode if I’m being more technical. However, the ease which you’ll find sub 9lbs Slash Standards are in my experience much greater than on Standard ‘50s. I did find several Standard ‘50s in the 8lbs 10oz range or less. However, you’d need to look much harder than if you were shopping for a Slash Standard. It looks like the Slash Standard and Standard ‘50s & ’60s have the same body bank cutoff weight. However, when they find a particularly light body blank they end up using them on a Slash Standard more often.

However, that’s an aspect of a guitar that might spark interest from a guitar nut like myself and maybe others here, but it doesn’t objectively establish that Standards are better. In fact if I subscribed to that, I’d not be an SG guy.

I bought an 2018 SG Standard ‘61 that sounded absolutely amazing, but I hated how it played. The guitar fought back like crazy. There was nothing wrong with the guitar. I think the neck profile just wasn’t my thing or was one of those ghosts in the guitar thing. However, what had me not give up on SGs were a used SG Classic (can’t remember the year, but I want to say 2010 or 2011), a used SG gothic, and a new 2017 SG Faded T that I had played an year before I got my 2018 SG. The 2017 SG Faded T to this day has been one of the most comfortable easy to play guitars I ever picked up. Granted I think the 2018 Faded line were not as good for having sharper fretboard edges and many had frets sprouting issues. Some of those things were not addressed with the current leadership very early batches, but in my experience they’ve gotten much better in subsequent batches. In summary that particular 2018 Standard ‘61 was absolute terrible, the very worse guitar I ever owned (my first electric guitar was a Samick Gregg Bennett Avion 3 and my first guitar was a Fender Acoustic solid top Dreadnought that came in a kit) and that 2017 SG Faded T was absolutely amazing.

Just to clarify, I think the current Standard ‘61s are phenomenal. I even considered keeping mine and returning my custom shop SG. In fact I got the original collection Standard ‘61 just after the 2019 winter NAMM show when Gibson was being hyped. I went to try one of the new ones and was blown away. Went home to pick up the 2018 SG to put it towards the original collection Standard ‘61.

You are correct, and saw the same pages we all see !
 

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Who responds to a comment they didn't read?

Certain models can be cheaper without using cheaper materials in every aspect. For example, the stopbar tailpiece is exactly the same from a Special Faded up to a Kirk Douglas Custom. There is a base level of continuity in order to maintain brand-wide standards.

"Expensive nut on a 15 year old guitar"? What? It's one thing to not read a comment, but another entirely to then make things up.

I see, we "disagree" on physics, just like we can "disagree" on what color the sky is. Except we can't because it's not subjective...



Desire is subjective. Why does my Custom Shop SG have a lighter fretboard than my cheapo Epiphone?

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You realize that the type of Rosewood that was so highly regarded that it was almost driven to extinction is not the darkest type of Rosewood?

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Does that look super dark to you?



Man, you might know "so what" if you actually read the comment. Funny how that works...



Haha, okay, bud. "Nuh-uh" isn't an argument.


I will answer one last time:
1) I am not your Bud...and WHO? IT WAS ME, and I replied to you based on not wasting too much of my time on your insipid remarks, THATS WHO ! OK?

2) Saying that we disagree is my nice way of saying to you that "I AM NOT A PHYSICIST", and I very much doubt if you are a PHYSICIST as well" . There fore you will not get a debate from me that is uninformed on the PHYSICS subject...

U C, I went by my experience buying, playing and working on GIBSON GUITARS for over 40 years. My guitars sound great, and I did not put yours down saying it.

and just for $#!TS and Giggles, and because you make me laugh,and you may learn something (What? I am not sure and, once again, dont care what you learn or think you know . Because that is how off putting I find you.) BUT, I digress: put a Les Paul or SG FADED, SPECIAL, STANDARD and CUSTOM next to each other, IDGAS which years you select either, and just start PLAYING THEM ALL UN-PLUGGED, and then if you do not hear a difference in the quality of the woods, CONGRATULATIONS...You are DEAF !

I am going to ignore you from now on.

btw, I thought I was wrong once, but it turned out I MADE A MISTAKE, duh ?
 

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I will answer one last time:
1) I am not your Bud...and WHO? IT WAS ME, and I replied to you based on not wasting too much of my time on your insipid remarks, THATS WHO ! OK?

2) Saying that we disagree is my nice way of saying to you that "I AM NOT A PHYSICIST", and I very much doubt if you are a PHYSICIST as well" . There fore you will not get a debate from me that is uninformed on the PHYSICS subject...

U C, I went by my experience buying, playing and working on GIBSON GUITARS for over 40 years. My guitars sound great, and I did not put yours down saying it.

and just for $#!TS and Giggles, and because you make me laugh,and you may learn something (What? I am not sure and, once again, dont care what you learn or think you know . Because that is how off putting I find you.) BUT, I digress: put a Les Paul or SG FADED, SPECIAL, STANDARD and CUSTOM next to each other, IDGAS which years you select either, and just start PLAYING THEM ALL UN-PLUGGED, and then if you do not hear a difference in the quality of the woods, CONGRATULATIONS...You are DEAF !

I am going to ignore you from now on.

btw, I thought I was wrong once, but it turned out I MADE A MISTAKE, duh ?

Man, you really are easily offended, huh? I think your defensiveness and lack of emotional control says everything. Humility is a virtue, bud. I believe that you believe you can hear a difference. Even though that's not how electric guitars produce sound. What would an acoustical engineer know?

Please do ignore me, just like you do anything else that contradicts your pre-existing beliefs.
 

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For those that may have bought a newer SG with the Vibrola tailpiece what were your thoughts on them regarding tuning stability, sustain etc.

I have a small vibrola P90 Special from 2019 (as per my name picture), and it needed some Faber locking studs to aid bridge stability (they fitted straight into the existing holes, no drilling or messing around at all) - I also changed the bridge to a mojoaxe bridge (pretty similar to the original), and the tuning stability and sustain are excellent.
 

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I wish I had kept my first SG. It was a ‘67 (I think). Bought new somewhere around my 15th birthday. Now, I STILL only have one wife but 4 SG’s. Variety . . . It will keep you smiling! :rofl:
 

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Well I got to try a 61 Standard hard tail at GC yesterday. It was so light which was nice but the neck again was thicker so I do not think there is much consistency in that area. The guitar was setup horribly and just played and sounded terrible. Worst sounding SG I have played or heard to date. Like I said every guitar is its own thing.
 

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Well I got to try a 61 Standard hard tail at GC yesterday. It was so light which was nice but the neck again was thicker so I do not think there is much consistency in that area. The guitar was setup horribly and just played and sounded terrible. Worst sounding SG I have played or heard to date. Like I said every guitar is its own thing.

Maybe you meant the neck had a wider nut, not thicker (front to back).
1-11/16 nut width vs the vintage 1-9/16.

I always thought most SG with the "61" designation had a thin neck (front to back).
 
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I always thought most SG with the "61" designation had a thin neck (front to back).

Their site specifies the Standard '61 as having a Slim Taper neck profile. and a 1.69" (1-11/16") nut width, which I think is consistent with originals up until '65? Hard to keep up, they changed specs as often as Imelda Marcos changed shoes.
 

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Maybe you meant the neck had a wider nut, not thicker (front to back).
1-11/16 nut width vs the vintage 1-9/16.

I always thought most SG with the "61" designation had a thin neck (front to back).
The nut was definitely wider but the neck also seemed thicker.
 

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Their site specifies the Standard '61 as having a Slim Taper neck profile. and a 1.69" (1-11/16") nut width, which I think is consistent with originals up until '65? Hard to keep up, they changed specs as often as Imelda Marcos changed shoes.

Gibsons have always had necks shaped by hand so there is a lot of variation. They have called "Slim Taper" everything from .85" at the 12th fret to as thick as 1.10" at the 12th. At least now they are more specific and refer to the thicker Historic '61 necks as a "1960 Slim Taper". Which I thought was just a typo, but it turns out they're using the 1960 Les Paul neck profile on those. Still confusing to most people though. So they make a big distinction between 1960 Slim Taper and 1961 Slim Taper. Whether there was actually a significant difference between those years in reality, I don't know.
 

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That just reinforces my thoughts of why it is necessary to try before you buy.

I was rotating out my guitars (selling and purchasing) every year for about a decade until a couple of years ago I finally settled on a few that I really enjoy playing.
 
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Legend has it that the absence of a neck pup on a Junior reduces any magnetic string pull that may occur. As a result, having only one pup can make for a better sustaining electric guitar.

I do like the simplicity of a single P-90 and wraparound bridge.
 
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I am almost 67 and playing forever. I currently own a 1969 Gibson SG that I bought new as a 15 year old kid and has been my #1 all that time. For many years early on it was my only guitar. As I gigged more I bought many different models and brands to use as a second guitar. I have had Gibson, Hamer, Fender, Squier, Parker, Schecter you name it. While many were okay they never did it for me like my SG. My SG can be used for anything and sound great. I never found that in any other guitar. I have come to the conclusion that instead of trying other brands again maybe the real answer is a second SG. I guess some people need a house to fall on their heads to wake up lol.

Anyways, my budget would be in the $1200-2000 or so range which should give me a good choice in the SG world. I have heard great things about the 61 reissues as well as 61 standards (I think). Anyone else out there with a great SG suggestion and/or experience owning more than one. I would like something on the lighter side if possible. What are some of the differences? Thanks for any insights.
100% yes on #2. Same here, At 50, I played #1 Std into retirement (literally) and FINALLY pulled the trigger on #2 Std. They feel completely different but I found that after getting used to a new neck, frets, pickups, etc...it is very enjoyable to play. In hindsight, I don't know why I waited so long. Hope you enjoy #2 as much as I do!
 

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100% yes on #2. Same here, At 50, I played #1 Std into retirement (literally) and FINALLY pulled the trigger on #2 Std. They feel completely different but I found that after getting used to a new neck, frets, pickups, etc...it is very enjoyable to play. In hindsight, I don't know why I waited so long. Hope you enjoy #2 as much as I do!
Thank you. I lucked out and got an incredible 61 Standard reissue. Amazing sound and action and maybe 6 pounds. Fun guitar to play. I have done a few rehearsals and gigs with it and its a keeper. The only change I made was to change out the Gibson Deluxe tuners to Klusons which was a huge improvement.
 

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I am almost 67 and playing forever. I currently own a 1969 Gibson SG that I bought new as a 15 year old kid and has been my #1 all that time. For many years early on it was my only guitar. As I gigged more I bought many different models and brands to use as a second guitar. I have had Gibson, Hamer, Fender, Squier, Parker, Schecter you name it. While many were okay they never did it for me like my SG. My SG can be used for anything and sound great. I never found that in any other guitar. I have come to the conclusion that instead of trying other brands again maybe the real answer is a second SG. I guess some people need a house to fall on their heads to wake up lol.

Anyways, my budget would be in the $1200-2000 or so range which should give me a good choice in the SG world. I have heard great things about the 61 reissues as well as 61 standards (I think). Anyone else out there with a great SG suggestion and/or experience owning more than one. I would like something on the lighter side if possible. What are some of the differences? Thanks for any insights.

Bro, I'm sure U kno U cant go wrong with an SG Standard, and IMO, from any year. Currently there is a supply shortage of new ones, 2021 Models...AAMOF, IDK if the 2021's are even out yet and have yet to see one.

A thought (OR 2 )?
The 2020 SG '61 Standard from the 'ORIGINAL' series has a 22nd Fret Neck Joint.Initially GIBSON saw that as one of the initial problems (like the Sideways Vibrola) w/the new Model Guitar GIBSON came up with, the 1961 Les Paul/SG ....IDK if it was the position of the NJ or the fact that GIBSON was too cheap to use enough glue, or both? IDK, but they did move the Neck Joint to the 19TH Fret around October 1966(I Think) as many '61-'65 SG necks were breaking and the Guitar suffered, like a lotta people sometimes do, from 'WOBBLES' (BWAH HA AHA!) and that was EXACTLY why GIBSON moved the Neck Joint in 1966(date?)...... BUT the '61 R&T Pickup's in the 2020 '61 SG Standard 'ORIGINAL' series have better pickups than the 490's in the 2020(1?) 'MODERN' SG Standard, IMO...so I took out the 490R from the neck position dropped a '61R in the Neck Position and put a '57 classic in the Bridge Position.......AND IT MADE A HUGE difference in the way the guitar sounds.It went from being a real Good sounding Guitar to being a Completely BAD-A$$ Axe, and all with GIBSON USA Stock Pickup's. One from a 2015 SG Special & One from 2019 SG 'Original'. It cost me about $8 to put a Mounting Ring on the Bridge Positon '57 Classic Pickup (ALA 'ANGUS') to get the strings and pickup's a bit more parallel to each other....Like on one or two of Angus Young's Bat-Wing equipped SG's.

After buyin the HScase the damage was $1556 all-in.Total cost was $1556 payable over four years(ICFBT). All I did was show my gear card Credit Card and license and I walked right out of GC with the Guitar.
The point of all this is that within your economic zone you can do exactly this and get a brand new GIBSON USA 'Modern Series' SG Standard guitar that is BAD-A$$ rather than something someone else has been getting their DNA all over (Cue the GAGGING SOUND...HERE !) and who knows what else. As for people that think the new GIBSON SG's arent what they used to be, thats Cow-Dung IMO...I have never played a properly functioning GIBSON SG, from any year, that was a dud. There are plenty of poorly set-up SG's out there that might not sound as good as they could BUT that is not the Guitars fault. In fact, I would say that there are extremely few bad GIBSON SG guitars and that I never owned a bad one......there are definitely a lot of poorly set up ones that could sound much better with a li'l 'dialing in'...ur makin a great choice if I may say by buying one. I HOPE YOU ROCK THAT BAD-A$$ !

Good luck whatever you end up doing and maybe post a pic of it when u get it ? A lot of People like to see the NEW ones, THINK VISUALS.
 

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I came into a bit of money this year and picked up a couple of 2021 '61s, one vintage cherry with the Maestro vibrola and the other an ebony hardtail (that one is an exclusive you have to order directly from Gibson on their website). They both played very well straight out of the box and I like the Burstbucker pickups. Initially, I was leery of the vibrola because I have heard stories about their ability to stay in tune, but after a short time playing and breaking it in, it stays in tune just fine (I bought it because the tailpiece looked so damn cool). It absolutely is not a Floyd Rose, but a "wiggle stick" in the very sense of that term and generally I only use it for subtle vibrato once in a while. Most of the time the vibrola arm is turned over to the tail end of the guitar. The '61s definitely have a "D" shaped neck, which is flatter on the back and creates a kind of "feel" illusion that the necks are wider than a more traditional "C" shape.

I'm fairly sure the modern Standard is a great guitar and if you want to save $300-500 you probably can't go wrong there, but if you're willing to lay out a little extra, definitely check out a '61 if you have a chance.
 

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Bro, I'm sure U kno U cant go wrong with an SG Standard, and IMO, from any year. Currently there is a supply shortage of new ones, 2021 Models...AAMOF, IDK if the 2021's are even out yet and have yet to see one.

A thought (OR 2 )?
The 2020 SG '61 Standard from the 'ORIGINAL' series has a 22nd Fret Neck Joint.Initially GIBSON saw that as one of the initial problems (like the Sideways Vibrola) w/the new Model Guitar GIBSON came up with, the 1961 Les Paul/SG ....IDK if it was the position of the NJ or the fact that GIBSON was too cheap to use enough glue, or both? IDK, but they did move the Neck Joint to the 19TH Fret around October 1966(I Think) as many '61-'65 SG necks were breaking and the Guitar suffered, like a lotta people sometimes do, from 'WOBBLES' (BWAH HA AHA!) and that was EXACTLY why GIBSON moved the Neck Joint in 1966(date?)...... BUT the '61 R&T Pickup's in the 2020 '61 SG Standard 'ORIGINAL' series have better pickups than the 490's in the 2020(1?) 'MODERN' SG Standard, IMO...so I took out the 490R from the neck position dropped a '61R in the Neck Position and put a '57 classic in the Bridge Position.......AND IT MADE A HUGE difference in the way the guitar sounds.It went from being a real Good sounding Guitar to being a Completely BAD-A$$ Axe, and all with GIBSON USA Stock Pickup's. One from a 2015 SG Special & One from 2019 SG 'Original'. It cost me about $8 to put a Mounting Ring on the Bridge Positon '57 Classic Pickup (ALA 'ANGUS') to get the strings and pickup's a bit more parallel to each other....Like on one or two of Angus Young's Bat-Wing equipped SG's.

After buyin the HScase the damage was $1556 all-in.Total cost was $1556 payable over four years(ICFBT). All I did was show my gear card Credit Card and license and I walked right out of GC with the Guitar.
The point of all this is that within your economic zone you can do exactly this and get a brand new GIBSON USA 'Modern Series' SG Standard guitar that is BAD-A$$ rather than something someone else has been getting their DNA all over (Cue the GAGGING SOUND...HERE !) and who knows what else. As for people that think the new GIBSON SG's arent what they used to be, thats Cow-Dung IMO...I have never played a properly functioning GIBSON SG, from any year, that was a dud. There are plenty of poorly set-up SG's out there that might not sound as good as they could BUT that is not the Guitars fault. In fact, I would say that there are extremely few bad GIBSON SG guitars and that I never owned a bad one......there are definitely a lot of poorly set up ones that could sound much better with a li'l 'dialing in'...ur makin a great choice if I may say by buying one. I HOPE YOU ROCK THAT BAD-A$$ !

Good luck whatever you end up doing and maybe post a pic of it when u get it ? A lot of People like to see the NEW ones, THINK VISUALS.

This was the post I made from the Gibson 61 Standard I ended up buying. The only change I made was upgrading to the Kluson Revolutions because the Gibson Deluxes it came with were pretty bad. Great guitar. Light, set up great, nice pickups, beautiful Gibson case and GC gave me a great deal. I have played several gigs with it and very happy. Its a very different guitar than my 69 SG but really happy with it.

https://www.everythingsg.com/threads/ngd-gibson-sg-standard-61.37896/#post-553152
 


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