Thoughts wanted on a trade for my 1962 LPSGJ

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If I'd had a choice to take this SG or a 2000 something Custom Shop SG - I wouldn't need a fraction of a second to decide and take this one. No doubt about that. So I fully understand the other partys interest to make the trade.. To his benefit.
 

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Ok thanks for the advise guys. To put it in context the LPJ could probably do with a touch of TLC as the action is a bit high for my liking and the high E tends to buzz past the 11th fret. I've also struggled to get hold of a replacement scratch plate which matches the patina of the guitar, but see what you think of the images:

So, you need a setup and a fret dressing. No issue, there. Some new guitars need that.

I looked at all the pictures and saw nothing that would make me part with it. Every inch of checkered lacquer, every scuff and scar is pure gold. Keep it.
 

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Phew..thank gawd you didn't do it..
That is a beautiful Junior..even with the replaced parts.(truss rod cover is Gibson, but not original or correct for this model, should be the thin plain black, easily found on eBay) My all time favorite case too, the purple velour... You'd have 1/16th of this guitar with a Custom Shop, and that is no ****..a 5 digit Les Paul Junior that never had a Maestro or been broken..(guessing those are conversion bushings, seems most Juniors were Grover'd.. mine is, the correct ones look like rounded press in grommets)..it's TOTALLY worth the TLC, which is minor really...the buzz at the 11th fret may be caused by a high fret or too deep of a notch in the compensated ridge on the lightning bar bridge...and I see you have a plain G..this bridge is intended for a wound G, so your intonation is suffering..might be time to retire that one and get a Mojoaxe nickel Compensated Wraparound for a plain G. Dan the man can help you out..( [email protected] )
Dan can make a possibly make and age a pickguard to suit the guitar, but you can also do it yourself with the one you have. Just requires a couple things, but if you don't feel comfortable, best to leave it to experienced hands.
The knobs appear to have a brushed insert, and flat topped..TOTALLY worth it to seek out originals, you see them on eBay, but can be pricey, but you have a 1962 GIBSON LES PAUL JUNIOR!! Worth EVERY penny to make it right...but if you don't want to/can't spend the $, Philadelphia Luthier Tools have ones that are pretty damn close to originals, close enough to pass from a distance..Knobs - Volume and Tone Control Knobs - Philadelphia Luthier Tools & Supplies, LLC
A fret leveling and set up would make this guitar very happy.
Isn't this ol' gal worth a couple hundred to look and play her best?
 

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These forums are great at times, you can learn a hell of a lot from them!!
I've had the sglp for about 15 years now and to be honest when I first got it was kitted out with grovers but thankfully the original tuners were still in the case. All they needed was a quick service and they were as good as new.
I think the head stock may have been damaged at one point along the side as pictured but even if it was it can't have been too bad. The jack plug was replaced before my time but I believe the pots are original as is the p90 which is a beast!!
I didn't realise the truss cover wasn't original but I'm sure it's old as its a totally different colour to the scratch plate which just doesn't look right at all. I've been trying to get an aged plate for ages but as yet haven't found any.
First thing is to make it play right so hopefully I can find someone who can get the action down and stop the buzzing.
Thanks
 

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Ya know Kris , That link was a great resource and a lotta fun to " weed " thru, I gotta pass it on
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chard.......its a horrible ugly unplayable piece....... send it to me for DESTRUCTION straight AWAY....now....never mind WHERE DO YOU LIVE?!?!? I have operatives in the area who will pick it up within the hour.........address........now.....do not resist (really its futile) .........I am counting to 10,.....9......................8...........................
 

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These forums are great at times, you can learn a hell of a lot from them!!
I've had the sglp for about 15 years now and to be honest when I first got it was kitted out with grovers but thankfully the original tuners were still in the case. All they needed was a quick service and they were as good as new.
I think the head stock may have been damaged at one point along the side as pictured but even if it was it can't have been too bad. The jack plug was replaced before my time but I believe the pots are original as is the p90 which is a beast!!
I didn't realise the truss cover wasn't original but I'm sure it's old as its a totally different colour to the scratch plate which just doesn't look right at all. I've been trying to get an aged plate for ages but as yet haven't found any.
First thing is to make it play right so hopefully I can find someone who can get the action down and stop the buzzing.
Thanks
Check this out..MojoAxe Custom Guitar Parts
You can get a VERY nice pickguard from Dan, plus he's a member here! Scroll down to see the replica '63 'guard..looks killer to me! He might even be able to make a period correct truss rod cover.:thumb:

EDIT: yep, saw that he has the right one in the '57 Junior restoration project pics.
 

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Just seen the pics of ur JR.its beautifull.HELL NO i wouldnt trade that off. A little cleaning and maybe a set up and fret work and she would be fine..KEEP IT.heck id trade ya all the guitars i got for it except my old modded 62 JR.
 
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I have to disagree with Kris though, I love my Custom Shop and I don't find it lacking in character or mojo at all. Also, It's disingenuous to call Custom Shop guitars mass-produced and imply that Kalamazoo's weren't. I would say it's more like 75% as good as the '63 I played.

Of course, I still agree that you would be wise not to trade.
 

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Honestly, that guitar is over 50 years old and looks great to me.

No neck break at heel or headstock. No pulled out jack. To me that makes it perfect.

If it needs a tune up, go for it. Frets are like brakes in a car, meant to be serviced or replaced at normal intervals. You might want to put that bridge in a box and get a newer one intonated for an unwound G.

Otherwise, keep that guitar.

I've had and sold vintage guitars in my time. Most of the time I learn to let go.

Ones I will regret selling 'til my dying day: '68 Telecaster Bass, '56 Guild Aristocrat, '59 Les Paul Junior (double-cut, slab body), '54 Goldtop.

You don't get second chances.

P.
 

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yes, find a good luthier who knows his business and this instrument should
respond really well
. Leveling and polishing frets is routine work, all guitars need
this. Setup and intonation are always in flux, especially if you live in a climate
which changes from high humidity in summer to dry conditions when winter heating
kicks on. High action and a little fret buzz should be simple for a good guitar tech
to sort out.

Everybody agrees, this is the guitar of a lifetime. Get it appraised, pay for some insurance,
get it set up and play the devil out of it. Watch people drool on their shoes from the sidelines.
I also feel that new Gibsons are fine guitars in general. I own two, a 2007 and a 2012 and have
bonded with each of them, for different reasons. New guitars have "potential..."
this old one has soul.

And thanks for posting such excellent photos, we LOVE guitar porn, and this is
some of the porniest.
 

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Tell you what, I've got a 2012 (that's practically vintage) SG Standard (not some student model) with 2 (TWO!) P90s. That's double the P90s thus double the tone. And the pickups are NEW! The ones in yours have probably degraded to the point they sound like garbage. It's in MUCH better shape than that ragged old thing and the finish looks no more than 2 years old! It's got creamish neck binding (a premium feature!), and mother-of-pearl-inspired plastic trapezoid inlays!! It's practically 50x better than what you've got.

I'll begrudgingly trade it to you just so you can get this old junker off your hands. I know a few guys that make furniture out of old guitars so I can probably unload it on them.

Let me know what you think!
 

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Wtf??

I have to disagree with Kris though, I love my Custom Shop and I don't find it lacking in character or mojo at all. Also, It's disingenuous to call Custom Shop guitars mass-produced and imply that Kalamazoo's weren't. I would say it's more like 75% as good as the '63 I played.

Of course, I still agree that you would be wise not to trade.
I never implied that Kzoo wasn't mass produced, I said Kalamazoo Golden Era, and that is fact. Hardly disingenuous my friend.
OF COURSE Kzoo was mass produced!! In a factory, that had more than one extension to the building in order to produce MORE....
If you think that Gibson Custom is not a mass production facility, think again. Yes they operate on a smaller scale than Gibson USA, yes they use more premium woods..but still churn out 1500+ a month..
No where did I state Kzoo weren't mass produced..
 

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Golden Era meaning there is a finite number of these models, compared to the thousands made by the Custom Shop..is this disingenuous as well??
 

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"I couldn't imagine trading that guitar. I had a 72 SS Chevelle. One owner, really nice car. I wanted a 67, so I sold the 72. Here I am, 15 years later with NO Chevelle, and a sweet 72 that was once mine now resides 5 miles from me. I was young and dumb......."

I still miss my 1970 SS 396, and even my 4-door '67 with 327 4 bbl and power bench seat. Good times!

As for the OP's LP/SG Junior, you might have made out OK financially, but that guitar of yours is so much cooler like everyone said.
 

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Thats its Lead.its cooler,its a surviver,its a relic,it was probably hand built,kris would know about this maybe,but when i pick up my old 62 with its wore down frets it just feels of a different guitar from a different era.its amediatly noticeble difference.less neck angle,nice bevels.i really like my SG Classic dont get me wrong but the little JR is a whole different animal.your very lucky to have that little JR.take it to a Pro Luthier and do it proud.
 


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