Too good to be true ?

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  1. ptrnyc

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    He describes the condition as used, normal wear, but from the look of it, it's been in a war zone. I'd be suspicious.
     
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    Metric bridge.
     
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    I doubt you would get 2 grand with that chunk missing out of it.
    but it could make a great player if all is well with the neck I have sevearl with CHUNKS missing got em cheap and they play great..
    If it plays good I think its worth it with the case why not.
     
  5. ptrnyc

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    Yes that missing chunk is unfortunate. The pots and pickup, that was no big deal.
    Anyway, I can't afford another guitar at this point, but I posted that here in case someone would be in a gambling mood....
     
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    Wow 18 gauge strings! I thought 11's were tough to play...
     
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    FAKE - FAKE - FAKE - FAKE
     
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    I'm not sure it's genuine.

    Look at the shape of the "open book" profile at the end of the headstock. It looks too flat.

    Also, the control knob geometry looks a little off. In the second pic at your link, the knobs form the four corners of a nearly perfect square. In four knob Supremes (as well as other four knob SGs) the knobs form the four corners of a slight parallelogram. Also, in the pic, if you extend the imaginary line formed from the center of the bridge volume knob through the center of the neck volume knob, it points more or less right at the stopbar stud. On a real SG, that imaginary line extends beneath the stop bar to the other side of the guitar.

    Another thing, in the link, the pickup switch and output jack are nearly the same distance from the knobs. In real SGs the pickup switch is very obviously further from the knobs than the jack.

    Finally, as has been noted, the bridge posts look to be the wider metric stud.

    I think it's fake. Very possibly, the person selling the guitar is not aware of that and thinks its real.
     
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    Here's a 2000 that sold for $1900, many differences - you wouldn't touch the one in the OP!

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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINT-2000-G...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
    Just for starters:

    As JCarno pointed out: metric bridge suggests (very strongly), a Chinese copy.

    Different knobs.

    Different pickup covers.

    Didn't they come with a brown Gibson case?

    Etc, etc.

    Others on here know far more than I, but a metric bridge? &, a huge chunk out, and the wrong colour pickup covers/knobs (these could be changed?), and the wrong case... Not for me...
     
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    Exactly knobs and PUs can be changed, but a metric bridge and incorrect pot placement?
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    The split diamond markers also look wrong to me. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy knew it was a fake & that's the reason for the missing parts: Hoping someone will think it'll be a cheap fix to turn it around for a profit.
     
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    ...also note where the pickup is missing he made sure you don't see in the cavity to get a view of the wood or markings.
     
  13. ptrnyc

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    Sneaky....
     
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    Can anyone explain how you know that it is a metric bridge from the photos? It is a great way of identifying a fake and very valuable knowlege.
     
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    The metric posts are larger in diameter. The threaded portion that goes into the body is significantly wider, and even the smooth studs extending through the bridge are wider.

    It could be argued the metric posts are actually better, due to their larger size. They are decidedly less subject to bending. However, from the standpoint of fakery, in most years, Gibson did not use them. A notable exception is a period during part of the Norlin era. Those Gibsons that had the wide, Schaller "harmonica" bridge had the wider metric posts.
     
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    dont think Gibson uses pink pickup wire either
     
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    The pickup cavity is painted black, that's why you can't see the wood. I've only seen a handful of Gibsons with the pups out, but I've never seen one with the painted pickup cavity (please correct me if I'm wrong).

    So, to me, it's a MiC copy.
     
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    This forum is filled with a plethora of information and knowledgeable members.
     
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    That's not indicative of anything really. Could just as easily be some owner added shielding paint. The metric hardware is the dead giveaway more than some silly paint.
     
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    Bunch of negatives there. Metric hardware, wrong pickup rings/screws, , wrong pickup cover shape, cavity paint (though someone could have added that), pots have aluminum shafts not brass, wrong case, wrong knobs, headstock shape...could go on, and that's just from the crummy pics in the listing.
     

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