WHAT UNIT DO YOU OWN OR HAVE TRIED???

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  1. vic108

    vic108 Well-Known Member

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    What do you use to record your tunes?
    List your gear & the Pros & Cons.

    BOSS BR-8 VERSUS........?

    Got the BOSS BR-8 Recorder a few years back thinking it would
    inspire me to start recording again after almost a 20 years lay-off.

    I hated it - it felt like a toy and the on-board amp models sucked.
    I'm gonna give it another chance soon as I'm getting the urge to
    record again. Hope I mesh with it better this time around.......

    Are the new generation Boss units any better? The Boss BR-1600CD
    and the Boss BR-1200CD look good and both have on-board drum
    machines, which is a big plus in my eyes!

    What about the TASCAM? The Tascam 2488 24-Track Digital Recording
    Workstation looks very nice too. I have an old Tascam Porta-studio
    first generation that I wore out but it worked great for years! Easy
    and fun to use, it was!

    KORG's D3200 32-Track Digital Recording Studio looks SWEET too!
    I got an old Korg M1 and an old Korg A-3 guitar processor which
    are very easy to use. Wonder if that translate to their recorders?

    I tried recording with the PC but it's so sterile, two dimensional and
    I'm used to sliders and faders for the 'real studio' feel.
     
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    Yamaha AW16G Here Veek.
    £250 on Ebay complete in a Flight Case!!!!!!!

    Very intuitive to use and the results are stunning.
    I was going down the Boss route, but Brew and I got chatting and he has Yamaha Gear which I have always rather liked....So I picked up this one
    [img width=640 height=424]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y172/lexlurid/NewToyz002.jpg[/img]

    Pip Pip
    Lexie :)
     
  3. vic108

    vic108 Well-Known Member

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    WOW! Lexie, that looks SWEET!

    16 tracks, I guess? Nice deal!

    Because I hate to try and build drum tracks from my
    Korg M-1 synth (because I suck at it), I was thinking
    of getting a recorder with a built-in drum machine
    (and hopefully, drum loops, etc...).
     
  4. madguitarsolo

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    That is the one I use at college. I find it quite complex to use but then I've only used it twice. It's not a bad machine and IF it is the same one, and not just the same look, then it has 8 inputs, 2 XLR - 6 jack inputs. The XLRs have phantom power capability for use with condenser mics for better quality than the dynamics. Had a lot of trouble when I tried to put each individual track onto a CD so I could use them in Cubase. Ended up having to record each track on its own through the headphones output and then sync'd them all up afterwards.
     
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    Hey Vic,
    I'm leaning toward the Boss 1600.

    8 live inputs means I can record a complete drum kit for starters.
    I can take it home then and start putting my stuff on it.

    I can set up several mikes for guitar parts.
    One close on both the Marshall and Fender, and one or two out in the room for the big sound.

    That's what I'm thinking anyhow.

    I'll take all the help I can get.

    So Lex, that's the Yamaha you mentioned a couple of weeks ago? Looks cool enough.

    :-)
    Neo
     
  6. doveman

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    I tried out the BR-900CD with built in drums, COSM guitar & bass. I think it did pretty well but I returned it and upgraded my PC instead. Here is a clip ... a "throw together" tune to test drive the machine.

    BR-900CD Clip

    Rhythm Guitar (left) - JC120 COSM Settings
    Bass - Ampeg Flip Top COSM settings
    Built in Drums
    Mic'd lead guitar (right) - Boogie Amp
    Vocals / harmonies - Shure mic

    :) Hope this helps.
     
  7. Strange Brew

    Strange Brew Well-Known Member

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    Studer - Revox B77, Veeeek...

    Simplicity itself (if you can thread the tape thru!) ;D

    Seriously, I too would be interested to hear any more first hand reports on Tascam and / or Boss gear. I am still using the Yamaha MD8 because I haven't HAD to "upgrade" it... it still does everything I need - but the capacity of the MDD disks themselves are restrictive, so...... who knows... I might indulge myself?
     
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    Voxman Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm using cakewalk thru a Tascam US-122. also have Sonar on the puter too
     
  9. vic108

    vic108 Well-Known Member

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    Doveman, TY! Informative and a sample!

    I know you said you threw the song together but to me,
    it sounds pretty good! The drum snare sounds like it needs
    a little compression and/or just a tad of reverb for that
    'room' sound. Is it possible to do that on that unit?
    Please understand, it's not a 'dig', it's an observation.
    I realize you said it was a quicky and I'm just trying to
    get an understanding of the unit's abilities. Built in drums
    is REAL important to me as I hate to program drums.

    On another forum, someone stated that you really have to
    record with low levels with the BR series. Did you find that to be true?
    For some reason, I got into the bad habit of recording slightly 'hot'
    from my old analog days. Maybe this is why I never was satisfied with
    what I recorded on my BR-8?
     
  10. doveman

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    There's quite a bit you can do to the drums ... manual is difficult. But it's workable. Reverb, pan, effects were available. You can go to the http://www.rolandus.com/mojo/manuals.aspx (you'll have to register your email to see them) site and download the manual if you want to review. Or do what I did and get the box from Guitar Center and retrun in 30 days.

    There's not much memory on the box (can replace 128MB with up to 1GB card) but you can save everything on a project to CD then reload it.

    I too would recommend recording a little less hot. It records a CD at a volume comparable with purchased CDs ... which is kind of cool. But it sounds a bit overdone and too hot to me. For example ... go to my soundclick site and compare the levels (this tune is Sympathize) with the other cuts ... done on a PC software MultiTrackStudio. You'll notice it's louder and a bit too hot in comparison. But ... if you had on a mix with purchased CDs, it would be about the same. My PC cuts would be a bit lower.

    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=599073

    You can also see a couple of tunes I made with drum boxes ... Boss DR3 & Alesis Sr-16 for comparison. Take Me To River is Jamstix.

    :) Sounds like your on the same hunt as me ... good luck!
     
  11. vic108

    vic108 Well-Known Member

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    So, it looks like a choice between the Tascam 2488 and the Boss BR-1200CD
    or the BR-1600CD at this point, but that could change...

    Maybe the BR-1200CD is a little better than the Boss-900CD you tried Doveman?

    I listened to your tunes on SOUNDCLICK again with that information
    in mind and you're right. The sonic difference is apparent. Night
    and day, really - but still, what you did was the Boss was very good!

    Thanks!
     
  12. madguitarsolo

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    There is a whole forum just for the tascam 2488 model...

    http://www.tascam2488.com/

    It's got loads of things about the reliability, faults, pros, cons, and an audio section where you can hear what it can do. Hope this helps in your choice.
     
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    vic108 Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, Madguitarsolo!

    I'll check that out too!
     
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    I use Nuendo 3 on the PC to master what I record on the Fostex VF160EX that is paired with a Behringer ADAT interface. We use a Presonus HP4 headphone amp for the mixing to play to and a Fender Passport 250 watt PA with the upgraded speakers to listen out loud.

    We tried the Yamaha recorder that Lexie has but it only has 8 sliders......gotta have 16 for real control....but the Yamaha is a real nice unit!

    We play a rhythm guitar track to an Alesis SR-16 in the headphones and record both.
    Next we record the drums to 6 of the 8 inputs on the Alesis with the mix in the headphones for the drummer.
    Then we start the layering of conga, leads, vocals and bass using headphones.
    This way we don't have any bleed from the guitar or drums into the mics.
    I use an optical tosslink cable from the Behringer to the Fostex and the master sync comes from the Behringer.
    We can record all 16 tracks at once and have seperate sliders for each track...real time!
    I really liked the USB interface the Yamaha has to be able to transfer the tracks to the PC as the fostex has nothing but the CD burner to use.
    I burn a "backup of all the tracks to CD and then drag and drop into Nuendo.
    Once the tracks are in the PC, I can quantize or use various VST plugins to correct off key vocals and out of tune guitars....LOL.....lots of options if the initial recording is clean. No limitation to the number of tracks for Nuendo.
    We make quick mixdowns and clear the Fostex so we can keep adding tracks. 36 is about the max we have done.
    I can easily take the whole rig mobile for a gig if needed too.....

    [img width=640 height=118]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Sk8rboi99/BehringerPro-8.jpg[/img]
    [img width=530 height=480]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Sk8rboi99/Fostex.jpg[/img]
     
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    As an addendun to the production equipment, I use Propellerhead reason if there is any midi instruments in the mix and then the post production is done in TRAXX-24 to get that nice warm Nieve console sound for the finish.

    I use CD-RW to copy from the Fostex to the PC to save $$ and we have a CD burner dedicated for making copies of the finished product.....
     
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    I use a Digitech GNX4. Really is simple.
     
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    I'm going to give this Boss BR-8 another chance.

    I was laying down some tracks on it today and what I noticed
    is the drums are terrible, erasing a track is cumbersome
    (gotta read the instructions again!), and it's not as easy
    as my old TASCAM cassette Porta-Studio.

    Also, the BR-8 does not a on-board CD burner. Someday,
    I'll upgrade to a unit that does.

    I have GREAT drums on my old Korg M1 synth but I don't
    understand MIDI like I should.

    Just wish the process was simple like the old days!
     
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    vic108 Well-Known Member

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    Man! It's been a long time since I laid down some tracks!
    It's quite different than jamming or gigging!

    Takes a certain "spunk" to do it right, a vision, concentration!
    A blank canvas to add color too!

    What used to be easy is now a real chore.
    I lost my "recording chops".

    Of course, playing the tune a hundred times BEFORE you
    sit down to record helps but capturing the elusive
    IDEA OF THE MOMENT isn't as easy as it was in the analog days!
     
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    just laid down four songs today.. rough as hell, but not bad!

    Having a mare of a time getting a decent "acoustic guitar sound, though... need to try a few options out re. mic positioning etc.

    Also interetsing to note the difference in recorded sound between that of my Rick 4001 bass and the sound of the Gibson EB2 bass. The big humbucker on the Gibson is real Muddy!
     
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    Just picked up Alesis hd24
    Will be feeding it with my live board Allen & Heath GL2400 32ch
    Monitors
    KRK Rockit RP-6
    Mics
    Guitar Sennhieser e609
    Accoustic Radial JDI MK3
    Kick Akg D112
    Snare, Toms Sennhieser e403
    Hi Hat Akg c430
    Over heads AKG c 430pr
    Bass Radial JDI MK3
    Keys Radiad JDI MK3
    Steel guitar Radial JDI MK3
    Vocal & Background CAD Equitec E300 &E100
    Lexicon MPX1 for reverbs
    Been a long time putting together...(fingers crossed)
     

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