You Shook Me All Night Long-Amp

[acdcrocker]

This has been really bugging me. I am absoulty in love with the tone in the begging of this song(more so Verse than intro) What series of Marshall do you think Angus was using during this song/era?? A 70's JMP 50watt? A 70's JMP 100watt?(Master Volume??) What tubes does it sound like? EL34's or KT66's??

 

[Stareater]

On the recording side, I've read that his favorite studio amp is actually an old Marshall JTM 45 (year unknown) through a Marshall 4x12, most likely loaded with 25-watt Celestions. As far as I know, Angus has always used the 1959 Super Lead 100-watt model with EL34 tubes on the road. He owns some vintage heads but mainly uses 1959SLP reissues and has said they sound as good as the vintage Plexis and are more consistent (I'd guess he means reliable).

 

[Zeppelin Rules]

And hes not as worried if he damages reissues.

 

[Stareater]

I should add another thing concerning the JTM 45. They used various tubes in those, depending on the available supply at the time. Originally, they came with 5881 valves, and when those were in short supply, 6L6GT tubes were used. From 1964-1965, KT66 tubes were used exclusively. The JTM 45 also featured three ECC83 preamp valvles and a GZ34 rectifier tube. The tone is more subtle and cleaner than the later 50 & 100-watt models.

 

[Voxman]

Angus a script logo JTM45 and Mal a JTM45/100! :) And most likely on 10 ;D Live they could use anything because what you see is not what you hear anotherwords we could be hearing a tweed champ and seeing multi stacks.

 

[Stareater]

And most likely on 10

Surprisingly, I do remember seeing something about Angus not running his amps all the way up. For the life of me, I can't recall where I saw it, but I thought it claimed he ran the volumes at about 5 or 6, but that could simply be speculation on somebody's part. A cranked Marshall was certainly the standard back then.

 

[Zeppelin Rules]

I think it may have been on the Gibson site. Saying that he doesn't like the sound of the amp cranked and prefers to have at about mid.

 

[Voxman]

The old JTM45's do not hurt your ears after repeated playing on 10 ... it's just a different thing than is made now! It's loud but it doesn't fatigue or hurt ... I'm still in shock that I sold one  :uglystupid2:  

 

[Stareater]

I'm still in shock that I sold one

Those are certainly worth some bucks today, but what can you do? My guitar teacher was looking through his bluebook last week and I found out a '68 Les Paul Goldtop I used to own and traded in back in the early '90s is worth $7500-$9000 today. Not good to think about when you're in need of some money. :cry:

 

[1Way]

I tend to agree with what is offered here from what I remember reading about his gear. Angus is such a fast and energetic picker, I don't doubt it that he keeps the power tubes around 6 and lets the stadium volume carry the rest. I always hear, and I think it’s true, to be careful to roll back the gain to just right amount cause Angus runs cleaner (via the amp settings) than most folks realize. But if you don’t have a pretty killer guitar/amp rig, and don't have tuns of fire in your fingertips, turn up the distortion some to help smooth things out, otherwise things can get a bit too clean and sticky.

If I had a choice between a JTM45 and an SLP, I’m not sure which I’d rather have. I’m speculating here, but the JTM probably has one of the best cleans in a Marshall and does dirty in a rather not muddy way. But a sweet plexi would obviously kick butt. However, until I go pro (rolls eyes), I’m sticking with MV models, JMP’s and later. My JCM800 seems to get in the neighborhood, costs like 1/2 -1/3 as much, and is newer yet still mostly made like old school Marshalls.

If money is not so much an issue, I'd encourage anyone who can afford extra bills for an upgrade to consider a nonMaster Volume Marshall amp, then send it to wherever Kevin O'Conner suggests to have "power scaling" installed. You can crank the power tubes as hard as you like and the volume is controlled AFTER that, so that you can get that fully cranked amp sound, but at (nearly) any volume level. If you go too quiet, the entire amp changes character and your ears hear things differently, so there is a limit, but most seem to think it's better than power attenuators. Turns just about any tube amp into dozens... It's a 2 watt, now it's a 10 watt, now it's a 43 watter, etc. Your band and soundmen would love you all the more.

For those interested, Google "London Power" for more info. Or go to 18watt.com forums and see if I may have ignited some powerscailing interest over there before I parked over here... ;D I was happy to have contributed that much to that site, seeing I'm not an amp builder. Several good amp builders were making their own versions of this for a 18watt amp when I left. I will return some day. :coolsmiley: I may end up sending my amp to one of those guys...

 

[Stareater]

If I had a choice between a JTM45 and an SLP, I’m not sure which I’d rather have.

Personally, I'd go with a Super Lead (which I did). The JTM doesn't have the drive that the Super Leads (or 1987 models) have. That's the way they were made to begin with and are great sounding amps in their own right, great if you're looking for a milder, cleaner distortion. I'm all about gain and distortion, so I'd naturally go towards the Super Leads.

 

[Zeppelin Rules]

Ok I finally found the interveiw with Angus. He says that he either uses Marshalls or Wizards live and a JTM45 in the studio. LINK

 

[SG dan]

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And most likely on 10

Surprisingly, I do remember seeing something about Angus not running his amps all the way up. For the life of me, I can't recall where I saw it, but I thought it claimed he ran the volumes at about 5 or 6, but that could simply be speculation on somebody's part. A cranked Marshall was certainly the standard back then.
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ya i think he only goes for 5 or 6. red that in an interview somewhere.

 

[Zeppelin Rules]

Umm Dan, I posted the interveiw right above you.

 

[acdcrocker]

Yes I've read that interview a thousand times lol. But thanks alot guys. So the real question here is though, is it a 70's 50watt JMP or something along that range used on this particular song?? Or a Super Lead type head? Because the tone on this song Is very punchy, warm and mid-rangy, with that wonderful power tube distortion.

I've pretty much ruled out the JTM 45 on this song because it sounds nothing like one. Not so clean either. But then again, IDK!! It sounds though to me like it is a solid-state rectifier rather than a tube one though.

I wonder if he was using the particular amps of the time or if he was using the earlier Marshall heads and cab's?

I love the tone of this song probally more than any other song or album he has ever done.

 

[Bonfire]

i read he had everything on about 5, and the presence right down...so that sounds consistant!

 

[Stareater]

Yes I've read that interview a thousand times lol. But thanks alot guys. So the real question here is though, is it a 70's 50watt JMP or something along that range used on this particular song?? Or a Super Lead type head? Because the tone on this song Is very punchy, warm and mid-rangy, with that wonderful power tube distortion.

I've pretty much ruled out the JTM 45 on this song because it sounds nothing like one. Not so clean either. But then again, IDK!! It sounds though to me like it is a solid-state rectifier rather than a tube one though.

Well, everything seems to say (including Angus himself) that he uses the JTM 45 in the studio. The tone on that song is along the lines of a JTM 45. Angus runs a very mild distortion. There's nothing in his sound that says it's not a JTM 45.

 

[Voxman]

We older guys get distortion the hard way ..... We work for it! ;D

 

[guitarweasel]

That's what the meds are for.

 

[Stareater]

We older guys get distortion the hard way ..... We work for it!

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