Zero fret adjustable nut

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  1. Robert Morris

    Robert Morris Member

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    Just wanted some opinions on these adjustable nuts. I bought a Les Paul junior that should be here Thursday that has one. Seems like it would be a good idea to be able to adjust the nut height rather than having to cut a new one. I see a lot of people replace them with bone. The junior is a 2015 in yellow with all the case candy and ohsc. All stock except for Grover tuners (orig G-Force system included). It seems like people don’t like these juniors, but for $660. Shipped I couldn’t resist. I’ll post pics when it arrives. Thanks
     
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    GrumpyOldDBA Well-Known Member

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    I am a huge fan of this technology. I have 3 gibsons 1 sg standard hp and two lp studio hp models.

    The very early hp models used a brass zero fret but that was quickly replaced by titanium. If yours come with brass gibson will replace free.

    I wont buy a gibson that doesnt have one but hate the robotuners!

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    GrumpyOldDBA Well-Known Member

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    Heres a pic of my lp studio hp tribute with the zero fret ...

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    I think its amazing. If your nut height is bad you can just raise or lower it meaning even idiots like myself can do it without having to take the guitar to a luthier. That being said, I know the looks of it aren't exactly everyones cup of tea. I happen to love the way the brass one on my 2015 Standard looks
     
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    papagayo Well-Known Member

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    Adjustable nut is great, I use this TUSQ on my 2015 SG, awesome

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    Just have an actual zero fret, the same as all the others. That way you don't have to worry about height - it just gets levelled exactly the same as every other fret. The nut can then do the simple job of string spacing. That is what I did with my custom Tele.
     
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    First of all, the Les Paul Junior is a classic design that has lots of fans, and that always
    has had lots of fans. That's why they are still making them... people buy them and play
    some awesome music on them. Congratulations on making an excellent choice of guitar.

    Gibson's original idea for the design was an "entry level" guitar that would get new
    players hooked on Gibson and they would buy a full blown Les Paul later, for bigger money.

    This marketeering strategy worked, and Gibson fans are mostly loyal. But lots of excellent
    guitar players decided that the simplicity of the "entry level" guitar made a lot of sense
    ...keep it simple, stupid... Play that with a punk vibe... repeat PRN...

    The LP Junior is the opposite of the guitar that has too many options and features
    to be practical. Kind of like the Fender Precision Bass. Years ago
    simple guitars and basses were dissed as "one trick ponies" by the bells and whistles
    crowd. But now, with all of the modeling features available to the player, and with all the
    improvements in the modeling technology, the simple guitar or bass comes into its own
    and gives up very little. Stomp a pedal and add new dimensions to your tone. *grins

    The Gibson 2015 guitar fiasco came about because they were too arrogant to offer
    their cool innovations as options. They were like, Love it or Shove it.
    They made the 2015s with a slightly wider fingerboard
    and the zero fret nut, and the robot tuners. AND the 2015 price increase, which absolutely
    killed them. So the 2015 models were roundly rejected by players on many fora, and
    for mostly bogus reasons, driven by the closed minds of the most outspoken OPs.

    Me, I thought the wider neck was interesting (it was a very small increase, which actually
    works very well)... and I've always been intrigued by the robot tuner concept, although
    not intrigued enough to buy one. AND I thought the zero fret nut was a great idea, and
    an excellent innovation. Gibson's mistake with these was to make the stock part out of
    brass, which was too soft to stand up to rock an roll. So they wore out too quickly and
    acquired a bad reputation. Gibson ate crow, and came up with a replacement part made
    of titanium which works great, and they offered these to anyone who had purchased one
    of the 2015s new. By the time they got their act together on this, replacement nuts had
    been developed by tusq (as shown above) and players had begun taking their Gibsons
    to Luthiers, who usually prefer to work with bone. And for good reasons.

    So the buyer of a 2015 Gibson now has a lot of choices for improving their guitars.
    Buy one on the used market, and that unplugs the PRICE INCREASE...
    Get a tusq nut and it's easy to install and you get all the advantages and none of the
    drawbacks... cool. The zero fret arrangement has a lot of advantages.
    If you have a decent set of tuners to replace the durn robot and you got your '15
    for a decent price, you are gold IMHO.
     
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    Where are the pictures ?

    :cool: :rofl:
     
  10. Bert Scrogshaw

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    Aye......this is also my outlook on zero fret. I always thought they were just an extra fret in front of the nut and the nut was always lower than the first fret so that nut is just just there for spacing and holding the strings.
     
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    I picked up a stripped G-400 body last year, and made it into a guitar again. Someone had cobbled a nut on it, so I bought the "Zero Fret" package. It comes with (I think) 3 different height frets. Not really a problem to fit the fixture with the string guides, and then determine which height fret to use. Really noticeable difference when playing open strings, (I have it set up for slide).
     
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    the zero fret seems like a great option to me... although I don't own one.
    You see it on a lot of cheap guitars, because I believe it solves some intonation
    problems. But don't forget that Tony Iommi has the zero fret on all of his custom
    made SGs.

    And for good reason. It turns the nut into a "string spreader" and
    for a working pro, intonation issues are death. So anything that can simplify
    this complicated musical conundrum is welcome onstage.

    Me, I seem to get on well with traditional guitars, with traditional nuts
    carved by talented luthiers. So I don't need to go running out and buy
    a guitar with the zero fret.

    But if I lucked into a great deal on one, I would NOT turn my nose up at it.
    I'd put that technology to work, by thunder. And I'm sure it would work well.
     
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    Hey Colonel lets say hypothetically that someone might have an extra titanium zero fret nut ...

    Would you promise to install it and review it and use it?

    It might take a bit of effort to find it. I might have briefly owned a model with the initial brass one and had gibson send me replacement ... but then no longer owned that guitar ... hypothetically speaking ...

    It would be a no charge delivery.
     
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    @GrumpyOldDBA Without a HP width fretboard it's useless. You can't cut it down to fit a standard width. I believe the venerable Col. was saying that if he found an HP SG or LP the width wouldn't matter if the guitar was a good deal. I feel that way about a 2015 LPDC with the wide fretboard. I played one, I loved it, but didn't have the cash to buy it. If I saw one on craigslist now for $500 I'd be on it like an algae bloom on Lake Erie.
     
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    Thank you for this excellent offer. I'd think seriously about
    such a project.

    But since I'm happy with the nut I have on all my guitars,
    I'd need to find a great deal on a '2015 Gibson that was
    equipped with this innovation. So if I found a guitar that was
    designed for the zero fret nut, and got a great deal on it,
    it would be my pleasure to render an opinion.
    Thanks for asking.

    Biddlin got it right about what I was saying.
    There are probably excellent deals out there on 2015 guitars
    that guys bought and then couldn't relate to the neck.
    I wouldn't have that problem.

    but I'm not in the guitar buying mode right now, having sold my
    house and a lot of my possessions and given away or thrown away
    what I could not sell... Downsized from a four bedroom house to
    a two bedroom apartment. I've kept five instruments.

    I wonder if the Gibson zero fret nut could be installed on my
    Epiphone ES-339... That's an idea. Except that I replaced the
    Epi part with a tusq nut, and it fit right in easily and set up
    perfectly and sounds great. So I hate to mess with it.
    And the neck is likely a normal Gibbie/Epi size, which wouldn't
    fit.

    Let me think on this while you're searching for the
    random part. Personally, I'd be curious as hell about
    how it would work.
     
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    I’ve been looking for a couple of these ZFAN nuts to put into guitars I’m building.

    Gibson will not sell them. Nobody seems to have them.

    If there are any floating around I would gladly buy them. Install them and let you know how they roll.
     
  17. sadmoodyfrazier

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    Well I've just made a new non-bleached bone nut on my SG... and DAMN! Now the tuning of that guitar is FROZEN.
     
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    I don't know what the word frozen means or refers to (above)...

    But it looks like Grumpy's extra ZFAN nut would get gladly snapped up
    by members here. I believe it's a desirable feature on any guitar.
    And so is a bone nut, if it's properly made and slotted.
     
  19. Greezy strings

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    Older post but curious.. never heard of this nut before and since were I live there are no Luthiers.. I have to manage my self.. learning all the time..

    Does the Gibson or graphtec only fit the 2015 sg? Or will they fit a 91 sg?

    Thanks!!
     
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    Dang ha ha sorry i havent looked at this post for a while! Let me see if i can even locate the extra one i have i think i know what box to dig into ...
     

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