2006 Standard vs Current ‘61 Standard

[lesorphee]

Would anyone have any thoughts / pros/cons on a good condition used 2006 SG Standard, vs the new 61 standards (the version without the tremolo)

I’ve played the 61 standard in a store, which feels lovely. I’m unable to play the 2006 because it’s an online purchase, but it’s 1k (used) versus 1.6k (new) for the ‘61, so im considering it…

Does anyone have any experience / thoughts on a 2006 Standard? Not sure if that’s a ‘good year’ or if such a thing applies… but would appreciate any thoughts.

Obv id have preferred to just play them and decide which feels better… I believe these new 61s are fairly highly regarded in terms of components, craftsmanship etc… but I can’t find much info on the 2006.

Would appreciate any thoughts!

 

[lesorphee]

Would anyone have any thoughts / pros/cons on a good condition used 2006 SG Standard, vs the new 61 standards (the version without the tremolo)

I’ve played the 61 standard in a store, which feels lovely. I’m unable to play the 2006 because it’s an online purchase, but it’s 1k (used) versus 1.6k (new) for the ‘61, so im considering it…

Does anyone have any experience / thoughts on a 2006 Standard? Not sure if that’s a ‘good year’ or if such a thing applies… but would appreciate any thoughts.

Obv id have preferred to just play them and decide which feels better… I believe these new 61s are fairly highly regarded in terms of components, craftsmanship etc… but I can’t find much info on the 2006.

Would appreciate any thoughts!

Should have also said, a slim / thin neck profile is a priority for me (hence looking at the current ‘61’ standard rather than the ‘current ‘standard’

 

[Carrion]

Would anyone have any thoughts / pros/cons on a good condition used 2006 SG Standard, vs the new 61 standards (the version without the tremolo)

I’ve played the 61 standard in a store, which feels lovely. I’m unable to play the 2006 because it’s an online purchase, but it’s 1k (used) versus 1.6k (new) for the ‘61, so im considering it…

Does anyone have any experience / thoughts on a 2006 Standard? Not sure if that’s a ‘good year’ or if such a thing applies… but would appreciate any thoughts.

Obv id have preferred to just play them and decide which feels better… I believe these new 61s are fairly highly regarded in terms of components, craftsmanship etc… but I can’t find much info on the 2006.

Would appreciate any thoughts!

THe big difference for me would be the Slim Taper on the 61. I have a 2018 Satndard 61, I used to use a baseball bat neck on a Les Paul Standard.

The slim Taper is so much better , the neck plays itself :)

 

[MR D]

Would anyone have any thoughts / pros/cons on a good condition used 2006 SG Standard, vs the new 61 standards (the version without the tremolo)

I’ve played the 61 standard in a store, which feels lovely. I’m unable to play the 2006 because it’s an online purchase, but it’s 1k (used) versus 1.6k (new) for the ‘61, so im considering it…

Does anyone have any experience / thoughts on a 2006 Standard? Not sure if that’s a ‘good year’ or if such a thing applies… but would appreciate any thoughts.

Obv id have preferred to just play them and decide which feels better… I believe these new 61s are fairly highly regarded in terms of components, craftsmanship etc… but I can’t find much info on the 2006.

Would appreciate any thoughts!

What pickup's are in the 2006 SG Standard ? What fret is the neck joint @ on the 2006 ? I stay away from 22nd fret Neck Joint SG's as they were originally considered a design flaw w/GIBSON moving the NJ to the 19TH Fret in late 1965-early 1966 was it ? IDK....mid 60's somewhere.....

The new 2022 SG Standard '61 has a 22nd fret Neck Joint, IIRC...and also has the '61 R & T pickup's which I kinda like in the Neck Position w/'57 Classic for the bridge...JUST HOWLING !

All things considered (is the 2006 a Batwing PickGuard or Angel-Wing ?) and if its a CA$H purchase? I might go with the 2006 SG Standard, if its in GREAT SHAPE w/Hard Shell Case and original pickups, as long as they aren't 490's, yes? Just save myself a few $$$ and buy a case or three of strings/polish etc, take a night out w/the squeeze...and, AWRIGHT !, still have me a SG Standard BAD-A$$...yeah...thats what I'd do. Get $ome BANG for my BUCKS !

BTW, the 2020 SG Standard I got has a Bat-Wing PG and a slightly fuller neck, but not anywhere near a baseball bat,...and I prefer it to the Slim-Taper neck I've got on another 2017 SG Standard....the Slim Taper Necks have a tendency to get kinks in the binding and even twisted frets if you go too close to DEAD STRAIGHT (anything closer than .004" @ 9TH Fret) on the Neck Relief...yeah, this happened to my ALL-TIME #1 SG Standard...a 2017....a SCREEEMER if ever there was one.... and I was just glad I saw the kink in the binding @ 2nd or 3rd fret on the treble side....all I had to do was let the neck relief back out a bit to .005" @ 9TH Fret (I had set the Neck Relief @ a li'l less than .003" @ the 9TH Fret) u kno?...it was really close to DEAD STRAIGHT......N E Way, I am just glad I noticed the KINK and no permanent damage occured...so it was all goody and I learned something as well....A lot of players might not even notice that type of thing......BUT BUT BUT, that is about the only thing I do not like about Slim-Taper necks.

I think you will know which SG Standard you prefer pretty quickly after playing both guitars...I'll bet one will SCREEEM at you "I AM YOURS !' and you will just know....

Pictures ?

 

[Igonuts]

What pickup's are in the 2006 SG Standard ? What fret is the neck joint @ on the 2006 ? I stay away from 22nd fret Neck Joint SG's as they were originally considered a design flaw w/GIBSON moving the NJ to the 19TH Fret in late 1965-early 1966 was it ? IDK....mid 60's somewhere.....

Thinking "design flaw" due to adhesive and construction limitations of the day. Like to believe, time will tell, the newer adhesives and construction techniques have solved any related issues.
I slammed my '21 '61 action and use 8's. Took it down to fret buzz and backed it off till it was good. No doubt, not measuring is not the way to do it. But, eh, I like it. Can't see well so measuring anything for me is out....

 

[Igonuts]

THe big difference for me would be the Slim Taper on the 61. I have a 2018 Satndard 61, I used to use a baseball bat neck on a Les Paul Standard.

The slim Taper is so much better , the neck plays itself :)

I totaly agree Carrion. Rember my self proclaimed rough fret issues? Did polish them. But still had same issues. Turned out the board was a wee bit dry. Oiled up, all good.
I do believe, for me, the '61 slim taper is prolly the first guit I"ve played where a neck was faster than me. Nut to 22nd, or runs getting there. If that makes sense.

 

[MR D]

Thinking "design flaw" due to adhesive and construction limitations of the day. Like to believe, time will tell, the newer adhesives and construction techniques have solved any related issues.
I slammed my '21 '61 action and use 8's. Took it down to fret buzz and backed it off till it was good. No doubt, not measuring is not the way to do it. But, eh, I like it. Can't see well so measuring anything for me is out....

Well, IDK what the exact problem in the original 1961 Les Paul/SG design was exactly, BUT the phenomena that the flaw produced was 'WOBBLES', as in the Necks all wobbled...and lots of them just broke....Imma pretty sure GIBSON has addressed this on the design of the new 22nd Fret Neck Joint SG's by using a Long Tennon Joint and ,dare I say, better glue (?)..

Both ways are perfectly acceptable when setting up a GIBSON. A lot of people say that measuring w/Tools is inferior (which can be true in some instances) when a guitar is used and has fret dents and some wear and tear and to varying degrees, on different guitars, that can be an accurate statement.....N E Way, from what you mentioned it sounds like you got it right anyway, u kno? Knowing both methods is a good thing for any player who does his/her own set-ups to be aware of. Ya never know when a tool is going to come up 'Missing', yeah ? If I had a hundred bucks for every tool I misplaced/lost......

So, BRO, your killin me....... which is it going to be? 2006 SG Standard or the 2022 SG '61 Standard ? I'm now solidly thinking..."DRUM ROLL PLEASE".....GIBSON USA 2006 SG Standard !

IMO, either way??? itssa Win-Win...You just can't go wrong with a GIBSON SG Standard !
They are just GREAT GUITARS.

BTW, did you mention what Pickup's are in that BAD-A$$ 2006 SG ? I missed it if you did....

 

[Igonuts]

2006 SG STD specs
Body Material: Mahogany
Finish: Gloss Nitrocellulose Lacquer
Neck Material: Mahogany
Neck Profile: Slim Taper
Fingerboard Material: Rosewood
Fingerboard Radius: 12" / 304.8mm
Number of Frets: 22
Frets: Low - Cryogenically Treated
Nut Material: Tektoid
Nut Width: 1.695" / 43.05mm
End-of-Board Width: 2.26" / 57.4mm
Inlays: Acrylic Trapezoids
Bridge: Aluminum Nashville Tune-O-Matic
Tailpiece: Aluminum Stopbar
Tuners: Gibson Deluxe Kluson style
Pick Guard: Black 5-ply Full Face
Control Knobs: Black Top Hats with Silver Reflector
Neck Pickup: 490R
Bridge Pickup: 490T
Controls: 2 Volumes, 2 Tones & Toggle Switch
Weight: approx 7.5 lbs.

2006 Gibson SG Standard | Reverb

2006 Gibson SG Standard in Ebony Fantastic condition for its age. A few small nicks on the top of the headstock and a tiny nick on the back of the neck. Comes with OHSC. Combo is still factory. New Pro setup, hand polished frets down to a mirror finish, fretboard treatment, new Ernie Ball strings...

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If that's what you're looking at, there are a few differences.

'06 example only
Not joined at 22nd fret
490R neck and 490T bridge
Tektoid nut
Frets: Low - Cryogenically Treated

'22 '61
Joined at 22nd fret
burstbucker 61R neck and burstbucker 61T bridge
Graph Tech nut
Medium Jumbo frets

Gibson | SG Standard '61

SG Standard '61

www.gibson.com

Everything else *appears to be the same.
Can't comment on the difference between pups as the 490 set I have/had were on an LP.
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As MR D was eluding to "Pictures ?", pls show us the '06 listing.......

 

[Igonuts]

Miss post.

 

[Igonuts]

"A lot of people say that measuring w/Tools is inferior (which can be true in some instances)"

I agree. Me thinks on initial setup, measuring does get one in the ball park. But after that......

 

[MR D]

I agree. Me thinks on initial setup, measuring does get one in the ball park. But after that......

Exactly BRO.....ya kno..One other thing here, now that you mention the 2006 SG Standard has the 490 R&T pickup's......IDK......OUCH, as now, knowing that....the choice becomes a bit more of a toss-up...I did not know GIBSON was doin the 490 R&T routine on a Standard model back then.....Henry J., the cheep ****, STRIKES AGAIN !!! Yanking the 490's out and throwin some '57's in that BAD-A$$ (or the pickup of your choice, right? That kinda cuts into the $$$ you would be clearing if you go for the 2006 ,yes? Unless your COOLIO w/490's, eh ?)
I must admit, Henry J was a shrewd Dude...I C in the specs that the frets are 'Cryogenically treated', yes? This is back in 2006 ? and IIRC GIBSON was touting the 'Cryogenically Treated' frets as a new 'BREAKTHROUGH' in fret wear technology again in 2018....bwah ha ha !! Henry J. the ol' recycler....