Need some serious help.

[Six String]

Some time ago I had posted about an SG and an SG bass that my neighbor had. I have been talking with her and have told her I would research them to help her know the value.

She had bought this SG at a garage sale some time ago for she thinks $35 or $50. She had given it to her husband (locally known as Indian Joe) as a gift and he had used it for many years. I have pointed out there are some issues with this guitar but assured her with the help of the forum, we could give a reasonable value. I have told her I will make a reasonable offer because it is an SG and because it was Indian Joes. (I played bass behind him at his last show.) Now, on to the guitar................. I need your collective knowledge and help.

It is an SG Standard but I can not determine the year..... I'll explain later.

I do not recognize the tuners.............

The body.................

Tail Cover.......???

Lower Bridge........................

Others................

Now, for the issues........... There's a missing knob but that's no biggy. However there has been a neck repair at some time. The following pix show this issue.

As I said, I can't tell the year because there is either no serial number or it has been sanded off. As she stated, they had never had the guitar in for a repair, so this was done prior and maybe why at the time someone sold it in the garage sale.

I have tried to remove the pot cover but I don't want to damage the screws that are in bad shape and will not turn.

OK, any ideas? Input what is it and how can I get the screws out to view the pots? Any and all input will be very helpful. Again, to try and ID this guit and to come up with a fair market value. I appreciate all of your collective help..................

Six String

(PS: I have told my neighbor I will print out and let her read all the input I get. I intend to give her a fair market value.)

 

[Sgmaniac]

The tuners are replacement Schallers. As far as the screws go, the only way I know to get stripped screws out is to cut a straight slot in them with a Dremel and use a straight slot screw driver to remove them. There's no way you can save them IMO. If you can just get them started, you can use a pair of vice grips to grab them with if necessary. The guitar has a volute, so it's a 70's model SG, which makes it fairly unremarkable. I doubt that it is worth the cost of the repairs needed and probably has more sentimental value than anything else. Even if you fully restored it, without a serial number and with repairs it won't be worth much IMO. It looks like a fun project guitar and would make a nice player if repaired, but that's all IMO. Just my 2 cents worth. :)

 

[SG Lou]

I agree with SGm, As soon as i saw the volute i thought 70's model !

 

[Six String]

I was thinking the same on the 70's because of the bridge........... I ran into the same thing with my 73 Custom thinking it was a 63..... I'm sure BW would have replacement stuff that would be needed.

Can anything be told about the pups? (Type.....) I have noticed they are loose........ looser then normal? I have noticed also that it will tune perfectly but there is still an intonation issue........ But I would think this is more from age, use and storage rather then the neck issue. Would I be right on this?

As I am usually shy about working on an SG, I would consider this one because of what I have seen here..... and the sentimentall reasons.

Again, thank you for any and all input, positive or negative, on this guitar 8)

 

[Six String]

............. forgot, When I angle the guitar in the light, just right, it almost looks like there may be a reminance of a number. Othere then sanding, can a paint stripper remove the paint to possibly reveal the number?

 

[Tantrum]

I think that it is about a late '70-'71 SG Standard. the neck issue is scary looking  but must have been stable. The ink impression is very light in that era. 3rd pic shows that it may have a Made In USA stamp.

First and second pic shows that it has the narrow headstock like '68-'71.Third pic shows it has the volute which is '69-'74. Made in USA started sometime in '70. You will need to pull the pups and the control cover to get a better idea of what you have.
It is puzzling that the Lyre has no provision for a tremelo handle.

I would not use a paint stripper on it.I think that the dark color and raised grain is because of sweat. I would try rubbing alcohol or something similar at least at first to see what you have.

A serial # on a Norlin is basically eye candy anyway. Not much can be determined from it except to confirm what you have. Pot codes should tell the tale if they are original.

If everything works I would say it would be worth the cost of a new Faded SG. The Lyre helps. The original pickups should be patent stickered T tops.

 

[Ac/Dc_wannabe]

I would try rubbing alcohol or something similar at least at first to see what you have.

Wouldn't rubbing alchohol be kinda risky? there could still be a chance of removing the serial numbers i would imagine. but like Tntantrum said:

Pot codes should tell the tale if they are original.

I would suggest looking at the pot codes instead of going through the trouble of ruining the paint. Just my two cents anyways . of course the last time i entered my two cents i was wayyyy off :o but just thought i would help in some small way :-X

 

[ess]

looks like it couild be a dimarzio pup in the bridge there.

 

[Six String]

All of this info helps gang, thanks...... and more is welcomed! I will be trying to work on the pups and the controler cover to get more info.

I agree with the "scarey" T but also agree with the stable..... as long as it isn't causing the intonation issue. Am I right in "assuming" that intonation can be ajusted for minor guit flaws and in this case a possibility of age and lack of care could require an intonation tune up? :?

 

[Sgmaniac]

Yup! It can be adjusted easilly. :)

 

[maxguitar]

[quote author=ess link=topic=3280.msg44816#msg44816 date=1121093019]
looks like it couild be a dimarzio pup in the bridge there.
[/quote]
Just what I was thinking, when I saw the pics I immediately thought Super Distortion in the bridge.

my two cents:
1. sometimes for badly stripped screw heads I try using a phillips screwdriver with a sharp tip that's bigger than needed. Might work, might not.
2. the intonation is off because it hasn't been intonated lately! look at the saddles- the first three (EAD) look something like they should but the next three (GBE) don't. Even a lousy neck repair would affect the tuning, but I don't think it would harm the intonation unless it was enormously off the mark. Those intonation screws in the bridge are probably really tough to turn if they're anywhere near as stripped as the other screws on that body (and I'm sure there's plenty of rust in that bridge) but there are ways to do it. Loosening up the strings will let you get those screws moving for a start. Intonate it right with a good tuner and you'll be good

 

[Six String]

And yet again, good input! 8) Thanks! 8) 8)

Any other general comments will be welcomed. I don't think as much as a project guitar as I am a restoration for Joes memory.

I had noticed that from the open to the 3rd fret there is a good amount of normal useage wear. the black paint is worn and there is left a "redish" look to it. Is it possible that the black is a repaint and it was originally the SG red? Ideas??? :?

 

[Six String]

................... Hey Vox & CB..... I'm interested in your opinions too................ :?

 

[ess]

dead strings too, RE: the intonation thing. just a thought..........

 

[Six String]

.......... The strings are "dead", but I think it's more from being on there for several years............. I'm going to put a new set on and see what icks. Generally, even with the old strings it had some good resonace and sustain.............. surprised me.............

 

[RightTurn]

OK, any ideas? Input what is it and how can I get the screws out to view the pots?

i took the screws off mine (had to take a look) and noticed if you go too far it is pretty easy to strip 'em.  once you get screw out it's easy to fix and if you get it maybe look into all new screws, thats the first thing i did with my Fender but of course Strat part are easy to get.  As far as getting the screw out maybe you can just use small vice grip, or slot it, or just slowly dremel whole head off....whew.

I guess that sanding #'s off was a big mistake...still it would be cool project guitar as long as neck if fixable......my other guitar is being painted right now...been gone for weeks :cry:.

 

[Six String]

Thamks for the input RT............. As for the "as long as neck is fixable...." I'm not sure that, although it ain't too pretty, it would need to be "fixed........ it seems to be stable. :roll:

 

[ArtyBoy]

Lordy, what would cause a neck to crack like that? Isn't that what the long heel was for? That also looks like a three-piece headstock.

 

[Six String]

I don't really know but it must of been a goodun.......... or baddy :evil: As stated, she indicates they had never had the guitar in for a repair so that would explain why she got it so sheap..............

 

[SG Lou]

If the serial number is embossed than using stripper will not harm it. Any chemical stripper will work on removing the varnish. Use an old tooth brush to loosen and remove the built up finish that has settled into the recessed number ! Another thing 6er,,if you plan on stripping the guitar why don't you remove the screws from the heel,enlarge the hole with a drill that matches the size of a dowl and glue in dowls to reinforce the break !