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Your guitar is quite unique... I suggest you DON"T consider modding it in any way.
It should be set up by the best luthier you can afford, played and maintained lovingly,
and the music that it makes will be different than anybody else's guitar.

In 1969 Gibson had been subjected to a corporate takeover by the Norlin Corporation,
and those guys brought in bean counters and efficiency experts to suggest how to
maximize profits. They hadn't done much harm yet, but in 1971 they began to mess
with the SG design in ways that guitarists came to dislike. Your guitar looks like it
was made before some of the damaging changes took effect. 1971 was a year when
Gibson introduced changes one by one. Not all at once.

The elimination of the SG's lovely bevels was one of those things they did to the design
to make them cheaper to build. Your guitar has minimal bevels on the front of the cutaway
and none on the back. This screams '70s. For a long time, guitars that look like this were
panned undeservedly. Now it's regarded as an unusual feature that wasn't made for
very many years. It was unpopular then, it's quaint now. I believe the bevels were made by Gibson
craftsmen using a rasp. So eliminating them meant less time in the factory, more profit.

But Gibson was forced by lack of sales to reinstate the bevels little by little through the
'70s, so that by the eighties they were trying to make them like they did in the sixties.
It was a bad idea to eliminate the bevels, and Gibson was forced to eat crow.

The addition of the volute on the back of the headstock was actually a good idea...
they were trying to prevent headstock breaks (which led to guitarists returning their busted
Gibsons on warranty). At the same time, they started making 3 piece laminated necks
instead of one piece solid mahogany. This was also a good idea, because it made a
stronger neck. But guitarists hated this, saying that the laminated wood would suck tone.
Not true, but it got repeated a lot. Just like now. Your guitar might predate this change too,
if it's got a one piece mahogany neck.

The necks of guitars of this period were more narrow than we see now, by 1/8 of an inch maybe.
Some players like the narrow neck, some don't. I think they stopped doing that in the late '70s
once again forced to do so. People refused to buy them.

Take a good look at the neck to body joint. In 1971 Gibson eliminated the normal 4 degree
back angle of the neck to the body. Their advertising guys called this the "90 degree neck pitch"
which meant that the neck was parallel to the top of the body. Maybe it was cheaper to
produce, but it didn't sell well and Gibson stopped doing that by like 1973 or so. Nearly all Gibson
guitars up until 1970 have a 4 degree back angle, including Les Pauls, ES series, Gibson acoustics
and maybe Explorers and Vees.
body low oblique@100.jpg

Above is a 1971 SG "Deluxe" owned by a friend of mine. He bought it new in the '70s and kept it stock
all this time. No mods. His has the parallel neck, and no bevels, and also the Les Paul style p/g, and the
control cavity on the front of the guitar. (yours doesn't) I believe his was made later than yours.
But like your guitar, this SG Deluxe has an ABR-1 bridge (sixties style).
Later '70s SGs had the "harmonica bridge." ...Which was also a good idea that bombed.

Guitars like this can be played, and they can be set up, but it's just different from what players regard
to be "normal" and it was unpopular. Your guitar might predate the "90 Degree Neck Pitch", in which
case it will feel right when you play it. See why I described your instrument as "unique?" Gibson only
made them like this for a few years.

The pickups are excellent... prolly hand wound "Patent Number" p'ups made the same way as the
vaunted "PAF" pickups, and likely made by the same workers. The difference between PAF pickups and
the later sixties ones is the uniformity of the 5000 turns they gave them on the winding machines.
Fifties pickups were wound by eye, "until they were full." That gave the PAF pickups the occasional
"overwound" tone that people have come to treasure.

So this guitar is an unusual critter. A lot of great music was played on guitars of this time period,
and I personally think the bad reputation was not deserved. Since yours only has a few of the
"Norlin changes" it's particularly interesting. Get it set up by an expert, and rock that sucker.
 
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Even though the necks are pencils, and the contours nearly non-existent, my favorite of all the SGs!
They were making them like that as far back as 1968.
 

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If i'm not too much curious,how much do you pay for that beautiful SG standard 1971?I know now prices for large guard vintage SG(67-71) increased very much,and they cost generally more of 5000 $.That SG is the same of Angus in early Bon Scott years.
 

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Just picked up this 1971, I believe. Cant find a single flaw....Was setup with 13's, high. Probably for slide. Pots 3rd week 1971.....Square case, purple interior. MIGHT refret it, but otherwise perfection. Thoughts?
 

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Did you change out strings to something much lighter?
 

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Wow, love that cherry and great condition. The necks can be skinny or mid sized/tapered around that time period. Got a photo if it in the old case? I love those shots for some reason.
All I have right now, as its in the shop.....


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Your guitar is quite unique... I suggest you DON"T consider modding it in any way.
It should be set up by the best luthier you can afford, played and maintained lovingly,
and the music that it makes will be different than anybody else's guitar.

In 1969 Gibson had been subjected to a corporate takeover by the Norlin Corporation,
and those guys brought in bean counters and efficiency experts to suggest how to
maximize profits. They hadn't done much harm yet, but in 1971 they began to mess
with the SG design in ways that guitarists came to dislike. Your guitar looks like it
was made before some of the damaging changes took effect. 1971 was a year when
Gibson introduced changes one by one. Not all at once.

The elimination of the SG's lovely bevels was one of those things they did to the design
to make them cheaper to build. Your guitar has minimal bevels on the front of the cutaway
and none on the back. This screams '70s. For a long time, guitars that look like this were
panned undeservedly. Now it's regarded as an unusual feature that wasn't made for
very many years. It was unpopular then, it's quaint now. I believe the bevels were made by Gibson
craftsmen using a rasp. So eliminating them meant less time in the factory, more profit.

But Gibson was forced by lack of sales to reinstate the bevels little by little through the
'70s, so that by the eighties they were trying to make them like they did in the sixties.
It was a bad idea to eliminate the bevels, and Gibson was forced to eat crow.

The addition of the volute on the back of the headstock was actually a good idea...
they were trying to prevent headstock breaks (which led to guitarists returning their busted
Gibsons on warranty). At the same time, they started making 3 piece laminated necks
instead of one piece solid mahogany. This was also a good idea, because it made a
stronger neck. But guitarists hated this, saying that the laminated wood would suck tone.
Not true, but it got repeated a lot. Just like now. Your guitar might predate this change too,
if it's got a one piece mahogany neck.

The necks of guitars of this period were more narrow than we see now, by 1/8 of an inch maybe.
Some players like the narrow neck, some don't. I think they stopped doing that in the late '70s
once again forced to do so. People refused to buy them.

Take a good look at the neck to body joint. In 1971 Gibson eliminated the normal 4 degree
back angle of the neck to the body. Their advertising guys called this the "90 degree neck pitch"
which meant that the neck was parallel to the top of the body. Maybe it was cheaper to
produce, but it didn't sell well and Gibson stopped doing that by like 1973 or so. Nearly all Gibson
guitars up until 1970 have a 4 degree back angle, including Les Pauls, ES series, Gibson acoustics
and maybe Explorers and Vees.
View attachment 54642

Above is a 1971 SG "Deluxe" owned by a friend of mine. He bought it new in the '70s and kept it stock
all this time. No mods. His has the parallel neck, and no bevels, and also the Les Paul style p/g, and the
control cavity on the front of the guitar. (yours doesn't) I believe his was made later than yours.
But like your guitar, this SG Deluxe has an ABR-1 bridge (sixties style).
Later '70s SGs had the "harmonica bridge." ...Which was also a good idea that bombed.

Guitars like this can be played, and they can be set up, but it's just different from what players regard
to be "normal" and it was unpopular. Your guitar might predate the "90 Degree Neck Pitch", in which
case it will feel right when you play it. See why I described your instrument as "unique?" Gibson only
made them like this for a few years.

The pickups are excellent... prolly hand wound "Patent Number" p'ups made the same way as the
vaunted "PAF" pickups, and likely made by the same workers. The difference between PAF pickups and
the later sixties ones is the uniformity of the 5000 turns they gave them on the winding machines.
Fifties pickups were wound by eye, "until they were full." That gave the PAF pickups the occasional
"overwound" tone that people have come to treasure.

So this guitar is an unusual critter. A lot of great music was played on guitars of this time period,
and I personally think the bad reputation was not deserved. Since yours only has a few of the
"Norlin changes" it's particularly interesting. Get it set up by an expert, and rock that sucker.
I use one of the best techs on the planet. Used to do all of Dimebags guitars at Dean. It's getting new frets, but I appreciate the insight! If I refretted my 68 LP and my 74, doing this one is a no brainer....Lots of great info in there,...And yes, I have a harmonica bridge triple pickup from 78, absolutely love it! Too bad it didnt fly.
 

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All I have right now, as its in the shop.....


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That's so cool, that is quite good enough of a photo. I have a 1970 that has the yellow lined rectangular case. It looks like they added some stability on the purple lined that the yellow doesn't have. In the Yellow case, the guitar can move around a bit if shaken (not that you would do that). Thanks for the photo... that's really cool! Interesting that it looks more brown in that photo than in your photos where it is a more red cherry color. Oh, you mentioned a 1969 LP... That is one of my all time favorite guitars. Can you share a photo of that one? The 50s or late 60s LP is a dream guitar for me.

They were making them like that as far back as 1968.

I had the choice between a 1968 and a 1970... both in the same original condition and both the same price. Now before you think the choice was a no brainer, this was 20+ years ago when the difference in value wasn't much. The 1968 had a very very fat and tapered neck. I am not personally a fan of either of those features at all! The 1970 has a medium thick neck on the smaller side (but not thin), and a slight taper which I am OK with. Obviously I chose the 1970. It is so great and the 1968 would have been worth a bit more today from an investment perspective, but I play the thinks after all. So based on what you are saying, I think they were making the necks all ways in that period... pencil, medium and baseball bat fat.
 

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Your guitar is quite unique... I suggest you DON"T consider modding it in any way.
It should be set up by the best luthier you can afford, played and maintained lovingly,
and the music that it makes will be different than anybody else's guitar.

In 1969 Gibson had been subjected to a corporate takeover by the Norlin Corporation,
and those guys brought in bean counters and efficiency experts to suggest how to
maximize profits. They hadn't done much harm yet, but in 1971 they began to mess
with the SG design in ways that guitarists came to dislike. Your guitar looks like it
was made before some of the damaging changes took effect. 1971 was a year when
Gibson introduced changes one by one. Not all at once.

The elimination of the SG's lovely bevels was one of those things they did to the design
to make them cheaper to build. Your guitar has minimal bevels on the front of the cutaway
and none on the back. This screams '70s. For a long time, guitars that look like this were
panned undeservedly. Now it's regarded as an unusual feature that wasn't made for
very many years. It was unpopular then, it's quaint now. I believe the bevels were made by Gibson
craftsmen using a rasp. So eliminating them meant less time in the factory, more profit.

But Gibson was forced by lack of sales to reinstate the bevels little by little through the
'70s, so that by the eighties they were trying to make them like they did in the sixties.
It was a bad idea to eliminate the bevels, and Gibson was forced to eat crow.

The addition of the volute on the back of the headstock was actually a good idea...
they were trying to prevent headstock breaks (which led to guitarists returning their busted
Gibsons on warranty). At the same time, they started making 3 piece laminated necks
instead of one piece solid mahogany. This was also a good idea, because it made a
stronger neck. But guitarists hated this, saying that the laminated wood would suck tone.
Not true, but it got repeated a lot. Just like now. Your guitar might predate this change too,
if it's got a one piece mahogany neck.



The necks of guitars of this period were more narrow than we see now, by 1/8 of an inch maybe.

Some players like the narrow neck, some don't. I think they stopped doing that in the late '70s

once again forced to do so. People refused to buy them.



Take a good look at the neck to body joint. In 1971 Gibson eliminated the normal 4 degree

back angle of the neck to the body. Their advertising guys called this the "90 degree neck pitch"

which meant that the neck was parallel to the top of t
he body. Maybe it was cheaper to
produce, but it didn't sell well and Gibson stopped doing that by like 1973 or so. Nearly all Gibson
guitars up until 1970 have a 4 degree back angle, including Les Pauls, ES series, Gibson acoustics
and maybe Explorers and Vees.


Above is a 1971 SG "Deluxe" owned by a friend of mine. He bought it new in the '70s and kept it stock
all this time. No mods. His has the parallel neck, and no bevels, and also the Les Paul style p/g, and the
control cavity on the front of the guitar. (yours doesn't) I believe his was made later than yours.
But like your guitar, this SG Deluxe has an ABR-1 bridge (sixties style).
Later '70s SGs had the "harmonica bridge." ...Which was also a good idea that bombed.

Guitars like this can be played, and they can be set up, but it's just different from what players regard
to be "normal" and it was unpopular. Your guitar might predate the "90 Degree Neck Pitch", in which
case it will feel right when you play it. See why I described your instrument as "unique?" Gibson only
made them like this for a few years.

The pickups are excellent... prolly hand wound "Patent Number" p'ups made the same way as the
vaunted "PAF" pickups, and likely made by the same workers. The difference between PAF pickups and
the later sixties ones is the uniformity of the 5000 turns they gave them on the winding machines.
Fifties pickups were wound by eye, "until they were full." That gave the PAF pickups the occasional
"overwound" tone that people have come to treasure.

So this guitar is an unusual critter. A lot of great music was played on guitars of this time period,
and I personally think the bad reputation was not deserved. Since yours only has a few of the
"Norlin changes" it's particularly interesting. Get it set up by an expert, and rock that sucker.
Your friend's guitar is very unique and rare. I bought my '67 Standard in January of '68 for $300. It's traveled a lot, played on 3 continents, and is generally considered to be in very good condition but it still has a number of tiny chips in the finish and around the headstock and some very very slight crazing in the nitro (which happened after two back-to-back snow storms trapped me in my home for a week with no power or heat for over a week), but your friend's guiitar, at least from your photo, looks immaculate, the finish looks like it's brand new. I have seen a lot of SG's in my life but I have never seen a single one like the one in the photo. The pickguard looks like it's raised above the body- I can't say I've ever seen that before... and pickup rings... my SG has a batwing pickguard, so no pu rings. Moving the output jack to the control plate probably relieved a lot of stress on the weakest part of the body, where SG's would sometimes develop a significant crack. As far as I know the pickups were never 'hand wound' but they were wound on a machine that didn't count the number of windings but instead depended on the operator stopping it when they thought the bobbin was full enough by looking at it. There are any number of speculations why some bobbins were overwound, like, leaving the machine running while getting a cup of coffee or going to the bathroom, or just plain drifting off due to boredom, but we'll never know for sure. I've seen one of Gibson's winders in person, and it's straight out of the Industrial Revolution period. I agree with you that the look of the bevels on other versions (my own for instance) visually is my preference. I also had a '68 or '69 SG... it had a P90 and a thicker neck with a volute... the pickup had it's own sound, different than the humbuckers, but I wasn't fond of the hum that came with it. It became my 'spare' that I kept just off stage in case I broke a string or something else happened to my Standard during a gig. One night, during a break, someone walked past it and accidentally knocked it over and the the headstock snapped off like a dry twig, despite the volute. I knew other people who's Gibsons with volutes had them snap off too, so I wouldn't say that the volute was the 'be all and end all' solution to the headstock break issue. I never really liked that guitar, and I didn't know it could be repaired, I'm not sure anyone was even doing repairs at that time, so that night I threw it into the dumpster behind the club. The only thing I regret is that I didn't strip the parts off it before I got rid of it.

As you say, the necks were more narrow than later guitars. I have variety 6 Les Pauls, ranging from a '97 LP Special DC to an '02 Class 5, 2 True Historics and a 60th anniversary '59, all Custom Shop guitars. The nuts, and by association, necks, are all less than a hundredth of an inch of each other - and five of them are within 1/1000". When I measured them I actually measured a second time to make sure I hadn't made a mistake. My '68 SG nut is within 4 thousandths of being 1/10th of an inch narrower than the LPs.

The '67 SG's frets are noticeably lower than LPs... 0.034" on average for the SG, vs 0.044" for 5 out of 6 of my LPs... one of the True Historics also measures 0.034". (None have ever been leveled). The neck tenon pocket on the body of the '67 SG extends further up the neck than a lot of the later models I've seen, and it's tapered and slim enough so it doesn't get the way when playing the full length of the neck. This allows the strap button to be further away from the body of the guitar than later SGs that have a shorter pocket. It also has Kluson Deluxe tuners instead of Grovers that I've seen on other later SGs, and I attribute the fact that I've never had any neck dive issues with this guitar that others complain about with later models.

The narrower neck of the SG never bothered me over many decades, it has a faster action and lighter touch than LPs due mostly to the thinner neck and lower frets. But after playing my first LP, it now feels a little cramped by comparison, and while I haven't completely stopped playing the SG, it does get less action than the LPs (of course there are more of them, and each has their own 'personality'). And there's also another, 'outlier' in my collection, I have a '21 PRS McCarty, a beautifully constructed guitar, but gets the least playtime (at least for now). I've been trying to figure out why for some time now.

Love your friend's guitar, I agree with Col Mustard.... he's lucky to have it!
 

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Talk to me…..what do you see.
BRO, my BAD…I apologize completely and in public (.. it was the ‘71’s, imma pretty sure,and a player is someWHO posting a picture of what I 1st suspected and that it’s the 1971 SG “DELUXE”, FFS !!! that had the Les Paul type pick guards and the control panel covers on the front of the guitar to get me to speak up, u kno? it gets a li’l confusing sometimes because GIBSON USA just used parts until they ran out of them…..

SO IF this is one of those cases, I 110% apologize, either way, those SG’s Fuckin RULE……IDGAS what players say about NORLIN SG’s, ANGUS WAS playin 0ne w/Maestro @ POWERTRIP 2023 and sounded completely BAD-A$$$$ !!!and of course I can’t post a picture of it !

OH FFS
 
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BRO, my BAD…I apologize completely and in public (.. it was the ‘71’s, imma pretty sure,and a player is someWHO posting a picture of what I 1st suspected and that it’s the 1971 SG “DELUXE”, FFS !!! that had the Les Paul type pick guards and the control panel covers on the front of the guitar to get me to speak up, u kno? it gets a li’l confusing sometimes because GIBSON USA just used parts until they ran out of them…..

SO IF this is one of those cases, I 110% apologize, either way, those SG’s Fuckin RULE……IDGAS what players say about NORLIN SG’s, ANGUS WAS playin 0ne w/Maestro @ POWERTRIP 2023 and sounded completely BAD-A$$$$ !!!and of course I can’t post a picture of it !

OH FFS
lol, No worries.
 

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soooo..... we'll want a full report of course.

We'll want to know how your old '70s guitar sounds, and how it feels once the
regret is done and it's set up.

I'm a fan of the music from that time period, and I know that much of it was done on old Les Pauls
and Strats, but the '70s SGs have their own mojo that was under appreciated for a long time.
 

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soooo..... we'll want a full report of course.

We'll want to know how your old '70s guitar sounds, and how it feels once the
regret is done and it's set up.

I'm a fan of the music from that time period, and I know that much of it was done on old Les Pauls
and Strats, but the '70s SGs have their own mojo that was under appreciated for a long time.
Absolutely. Couple more weeks. I can tell you this, even before the refret, there is a bluesy tone there. Like my 70's LP's. I have a 2023 SG CS , Pelham blue, I am in love with that SG, but this one is different.
 


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