I really want to save my SG, but it's just so uncomfortable to play.

[Raiyn]

I agree, theres something off-putting about the plate on electric guitars. I'm sure they work great but they just kind of...intimidate me... The locking ones are pretty cool though

What? . Just.......wait.....what?
"Off putting"? "intimidate"?
It's a couple of thin pieces of metal that align and prevents the tuners from turning on the headstock without having to drill (or fill) holes in your headstock. What's scary about that? Hell the plate ends are even shaped like Kluson back plates.

Things have progressed for the better since Eisenhower was President. Some just refuse to believe it.

 

[Didds]

What? . Just.......wait.....what?
"Off putting"? "intimidate"?
It's a couple of thin pieces of metal that align and prevents the tuners from turning on the headstock without having to drill (or fill) holes in your headstock. What's scary about that? Hell the plate ends are even shaped like Kluson back plates.

Things have progressed for the better since Eisenhower was President. Some just refuse to believe it.

I don't know, I guess I'm just not a fan. Which you clearly are. I can accept that

 

[Raiyn]

I don't know, I guess I'm just not a fan. Which you clearly are. I can accept that

That's cool & all, but when you say things like "off putting" and that they somehow "intimidate" you it piques my curiosity to see where these feelings are coming from.

Just because they're old, (or copies of old designs) doesn't mean they always magically work better than something designed and manufactured decades later.

 

[Biddlin]

Things have progressed for the better since Eisenhower was President. Some just refuse to believe it.

What an irrelevant, ageist and clearly intentionally provocative post. We're making an aesthetic judgement about the appearance of a product, not disputing the functionality. Since most of us don't need locking tuners, perhaps we are just being unsympathetic.

 

[Raiyn]

What an irrelevant, ageist and clearly intentionally provocative post. We're making an aesthetic judgement about the appearance of a product, not disputing the functionality. Since most of us don't need locking tuners, perhaps we are just being unsympathetic.

Not in the slightest. Eisenhower was President in '61*, the Holy Grail year for SGs, the one that 'sniffers of any age will cite as the unyielding template for all that follows. The fact that you like to jump down my throat for hidden prejudices that you've ascribed to me is your problem, not mine.
*The SG was developed more so in '60 if you'd like to split hairs.

All you've done lately is bash these tuners any time I've mentioned them. You've claimed they somehow "devalue" instruments. (New instruments I should add.) You've claimed that someone could somehow ruin their instrument by attempting to install Hipshots in the first place as opposed to taking it to a tech and having them install your preferred tuner. Never mind the fact that there are no holes to drill or screws to drive.

You only really started pronouncing them "ugly" after it was pointed out that Klusons and Grover haven't made a part in the US in over 30 years.

This isn't even about lockers. Kluson Revolutions have the same thumbwheel that you find "ugly", but did you ever even look at a non locking Hipshot? Looks rather like anyone else's non tin box style tuner.

 

[syscokid]

On the Hipshots, you don't have to use the Universal Mounting Plates. Sometimes the UMP's are needed for the situation. The body of the tuners have a lobe to secure it to the headstock with a screw like any other tuners with a single screw. The buttons are easily changeable with quite a few options. Yes, a new button replacement is an added cost to the initial cost of the tuners. About $10. I wish a purchase of the Hipshots could include a choice of buttons with the package. Interesting marketing ploy...

We will now go back to our scheduled program:


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[likea45]

I've seen this pic a thousand times and never noticed the firewood on the chair behind her. Love that LP/SG Custom.

 

[Dave_Death]

Why do people use this forum to bitch and snipe?

IT'S ONLY A FORUM, PEOPLE! FFS

And, no, I don't want people's stupidity explained to me in private messages, cheers

 

[Raiyn]

On the Hipshots, you don't have to use the Universal Mounting Plates. Sometimes the UMP's are needed for the situation. The body of the tuners have a lobe to secure it to the headstock with a screw like any other tuners with a single screw. The buttons are easily changeable with quite a few options. Yes, a new button replacement is an added cost to the initial cost of the tuners. About $10. I wish a purchase of the Hipshots could include a choice of buttons with the package. Interesting marketing ploy...

We will now go back to our scheduled program:
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All very true.

 

[Norlin SG]

Why do people use this forum to bitch and snipe?

IT'S ONLY A FORUM, PEOPLE! FFS

And, no, I don't want people's stupidity explained to me in private messages, cheers

Yup. Back on topic I guess. You will find SG's do tend to nose dive if you let go of the neck while playing. Just the way they are. I find that if I don't let go of the neck while playing, it is a non issue.

 

[Lookingfortoday]

I took Dr. Dave's advice and replaced the metal Grover buttons with acrylics. Made all the difference:

http://imgur.com/a/xlFfM

Little unstable, but that's due to the slick-as hell guitar strap. I wouldn't even try that before I swapped the buttons out. I did try wide and "grippy" straps before but the neck would just drag the strap down and take my shirt with it.

Having all that mass at the end of the guitar is on an SG is a little ridiculous. They're a whopping 73g:

http://imgur.com/a/1lSKB

Guitar feels great now. I'll be recommending this change to anyone that has a problem with their SG. Wouldn't be surprised if this is behind most SG neck dive problems.

Sounds like OP have resolved his neck dive issues.
I'm outta here.

 

[WallaceWinston]

I'm really glad it worked out.

 

[paul-e-mann]

One of the heaviest parts on a Grover tuner is the kidney button, which could be replaced with aluminium, wood, or plastic.

This is good to know

I wonder if they make a plastic Kluson style button that will fit on the Grover? I just like the look of the Klusons.

 

[paul-e-mann]

I was just looking at tuners on stewmac and it looks like Klusons will cover the Grover screw hole. Any thoughts?

 

[WallaceWinston]

I've done it. they do.

 

[Dave_Death]

Klusons will cover the Grover hole. You just need to add one new hole

 

[Chiefhibachi1]

I recently purchased a 2016 SG HP. I liked the wider neck feature Gibson offers with this model but the auto tune contraption on the head stock is useless. Not sure what they were thinking with that piece of shite.
I do love the feel, weight, and tone of this guitar but the neck dive was killing me. I started trying to balance the guitar by replacing the auto tuner with light weight Planet Waves mini locking tuners then replacing the plastic pickguard with a brushed stainless steel one to add a little weight to the body. It helped a little but still wasn't comfortable. I didn't want to add any more weight to the body since it would ruin one of the best features of the SG, it's weight.
I knew Stienberger had a solution for neck dive on their small body headless bases by adding an extended strap hook arm to change the center balance but my searches for one of those arms was fruitless since they don't make them anymore and trying to find a used one was just as futile.
So I decided to make my own extension arm. I used 3/16" aluminum plate and mounted Dunlop strap locks on it. The guitar came with the cool aluminum form fitted case so I couldn't mount the extender permanently so I had to use knurled thumb screws and threaded inserts to mount it to the guitar and make it easily removable.
Luckily I have a friend that knows a guy that does powder coating which added a nice touch. Blends right in with the guitar.

 

[DCCable]

Hey Chiefnibachi1, can you post some photos of this extension arm? Thanks,

 

[Dave_Death]

I have ordered Kluson Revolution locking tuners for my SG Standard. Apparently each tuner is only one gram heavier than stock. I can live with that

 

[Biddlin]

Not sure what they were thinking with that piece of shite.

That guitarists were literate.