Latest Worn G-400 with binding?

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Personally, I don't really get it about binding... it's not something I think much about.

I do understand that other members like it more than I do. I have two acoustic guitars left, and
neither of them has binding. I own two Gibson SGs and with both of them it's "No binding, no nibs,
no problem..." That's the way I look at it anyway. I own two Epiphones, and both of them have
binding that's so nicely done, I didn't even notice that it was there until I'd owned them for a while.

So I read threads like this one with perplexity. I did, I shoveled my way through the whole thang.
I appreciate the good words mentioned along with my name. Thanks for that. I try to stay open minded
about some of these issues, even if I don't understand why anyone would get worked up about it.

The G-400 with the binding illustrated here looks very nice. But hell, so does my Gibson SG:
Fretboard 6 close@100.jpg
April Neck 2015@100.jpg
my mantra: No Binding, No Nibs, No problem... fret ends nicely finished by Gibson
factory guys. Neck fast and comfortable. What I like about having no binding is the ease
of a refret when that becomes necessary. So the picture above is an example of Gibson
elegance and grace eh? Baked maple fretboard, acrylic block inlays, and look at these Shexy Bevels
baby... There are guys who would tell me my guitars are no good because my bevels aren't like someone else's guitar from some other time (and space)...
But they can pound sand.
April 2017@100.jpg
IMG_1097@100.jpg
See, I take each instrument as it is, and play it for what it can do, and I don't think in terms
of what it is NOT, or what it CAN'T DO... (a very small item). So I don't care a fig for what
somebody else's SG might have for bevels. I just bond with and play my own.

But I'll tell you something. Once I finally noticed that my two lovely Epiphone guitars both had
binding, I liked it. Epiphone binding is done quite well in my limited experience. My two lovelies both
have "fret over" binding, which I have decided that I much prefer. No nibs, no problem.
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ES-339 neck@100.jpg
Look at the Epiphone Wilshire below, and see that the binding is very well done
and blends so well into the neck and fretboard that it's not very noticeable. *shrugs
The frets go out over the binding, they are smooth and well beveled and dressed.
Upper Bout@100.jpg

I also own an old Fender Jazz Bass made in 1966, and that excellent instrument also has 'fret over" binding on its neck. This is Ol' Leo's idea of how to do binding... and to me it's right on. I've been playing this
instrument since 1972, and the frets and the binding were so well made that I've never had a problem
with them or even looked close enough to see what was done here... until I joined this forum.
I have learned a lot here, and now when I look, I see more. Pretty cool. There's a lot to see.
Sluggo neck close@100.jpg
So let's have peace among us and celebrate how lucky we are to be able to do what we do.
Playing music is a gift. So is owning nice guitars (and basses). Personally, I'm very grateful for
all of it. I'm grateful for every gig, and for every chance to play music, paid or not. I'm grateful for
being able to own some excellent instruments, and to be able to put them to use creating some
music that no one else can do.

If we forget temporarily how lucky we are to be able to enjoy all this and our own forum too, then
I for one will stand up to remind anyone, remind us all. One of my favorite images from 2016 (a terrible and hateful year) was of a guy from an African nation, who had a guitar made out of an oil can (for a body)
and a stick (for a neck). The thing about this guy and his home made guitar was: he has talent. He
could make music with this... having nothing else.

It's about the music we make with these things my friends...
If we were all stripped of our fine instruments
by the outrages of what we face for a "future..."
then my hope is that the human spirit we share
might guide us to make music
with whatever we have to hand.

We might look fondly back at the days when we had everything,
and then move forward and do
the best we can with what we've still got.
And we will.

If you have talent, then shortcomings of your instrument won't hurt you much.
If you have no talent, then the most expensive and beautifully beveled and bound instrument
will not help you much. There it is.
Merry Christmas to all
and to all a Good Night...
 
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I tend to think neck binding looks great as a compliment to body binding, as on my Reverends or Yamaha SG, whereas an unbound neck looks 'just as great' on guitars without body binding, like my Strats or Guild. My Gibson SGs are slightly curious in having unbound bodies, but bound necks - it works, but IMHO the Standards would look just as good with unbound necks, (though no doubt sacrilege to some folks!). To me, the only time an SG really 'needs' a bound neck is when it has a bound headstock. :)
 

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Personally, I don't really get it about binding... it's not something I think much about.

I do understand that other members like it more than I do. I have two acoustic guitars left, and
neither of them has binding. I own two Gibson SGs and with both of them it's "No binding, no nibs,
no problem..." That's the way I look at it anyway. I own two Epiphones, and both of them have
binding that's so nicely done, I didn't even notice that it was there until I'd owned them for a while.

So I read threads like this one with perplexity. I did, I shoveled my way through the whole thang.
I appreciate the good words mentioned along with my name. Thanks for that. I try to stay open minded
about some of these issues, even if I don't understand why anyone would get worked up about it.

The G-400 with the binding illustrated here looks very nice. But hell, so does my Gibson SG:
View attachment 29050
View attachment 29051
my mantra: No Binding, No Nibs, No problem... fret ends nicely finished by Gibson
factory guys. Neck fast and comfortable. What I like about having no binding is the ease
of a refret when that becomes necessary. So the picture above is an example of Gibson
elegance and grace eh? Baked maple fretboard, acrylic block inlays, and look at these Shexy Bevels
baby...
View attachment 29052
View attachment 29053
See, I take each instrument as it is, and play it for what it can do, and I don't think in terms
of what it is NOT, or what it CAN'T DO... (a very small item). So I don't care a fig for what
somebody else's SG might have for bevels. I just bond with and play my own.

But I'll tell you something. Once I finally noticed that my two lovely Epiphone guitars both had
binding, I liked it. Epiphone binding is done quite well in my limited experience. My two lovelies both
have "fret over" binding, which I have decided that I much prefer. No nibs, no problem.
View attachment 29054
View attachment 29057
Look at the Epiphone Wilshire below, and see that the binding is very well done
and blends so well into the neck and fretboard that it's not very noticeable. *shrugs
The frets go out over the binding, they are smooth and well beveled and dressed.
View attachment 29055

I also own an old Fender Jazz Bass made in 1966, and that excellent instrument also has 'fret over" binding on its neck. This is Ol' Leo's idea of how to do binding... and to me it's right on. I've been playing this
instrument since 1972, and the frets and the binding were so well made that I've never had a problem
with them or even looked close enough to see what was done here... until I joined this forum.
I have learned a lot here, and now when I look, I see more. Pretty cool. There's a lot to see.
View attachment 29058
So let's have peace among us and celebrate how lucky we are to be able to do what we do.
Playing music is a gift. So is owning nice guitars (and basses). Personally, I'm very grateful for
all of it. I'm grateful for every gig, and for every chance to play music, paid or not. I'm grateful for
being able to own some excellent instruments, and to be able to put them to use creating some
music that no one else can do.

If we forget temporarily how lucky we are to be able to enjoy all this and our own forum too, then
I for one will stand up to remind anyone, remind us all. One of my favorite images from 2016 (a terrible and hateful year) was of a guy from an African nation, who had a guitar made out of an oil can (for a body)
and a stick (for a neck). The thing about this guy and his home made guitar was: he has talent. He
could make music with this... having nothing else. It's about the music we make with these things
my friends. If we were all stripped of our fine instruments by the outrages of
what we face for a "future..." then my hope is that the human spirit we share might guide us to make music with whatever we have to hand. We might look fondly back at the days when we had everything, and then move forward and do
the best we can with what we've still got. And we will.

If you have talent, then shortcomings of your instrument won't hurt you much.
If you have no talent, then the most expensive and beautifully beveled and bound instrument will not help you much. There it is. Merry Christmas to all
and to all a Good Night...
My faith in you wasn't misplaced. :cheers:
 

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SG bevels? Never noticed. Lets get some pictures up so I can see the difference and become a bevel aficionado LOL.
 

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I'm just curious about brown or black binding. What's the point if it's not necessary? My inexpensive Maestro SG has brown fretboard binding (fret-over) and I had a cheap bass years ago with the same. You can't even see it unless you look close. The Maestro guitars are MIC as well, though I'm pretty sure they come from the Gibson Baldwin plant. Epiphone only recently opened shop in China and epis are significantly different than Maestros to surmise that they're produced in different locations.
I just want to know the purpose of fretboard binding and why it's considered an upgrade if the cheapest guitars have it. BTW you can also get a bolt on replacement neck complete with binding and block inlays for $35 on eBay or amazon and they actually have decent reviews.
 

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I'm just curious about brown or black binding. What's the point if it's not necessary? My inexpensive Maestro SG has brown fretboard binding (fret-over) and I had a cheap bass years ago with the same. You can't even see it unless you look close. The Maestro guitars are MIC as well, though I'm pretty sure they come from the Gibson Baldwin plant. Epiphone only recently opened shop in China and epis are significantly different than Maestros to surmise that they're produced in different locations.
I just want to know the purpose of fretboard binding and why it's considered an upgrade if the cheapest guitars have it. BTW you can also get a bolt on replacement neck complete with binding and block inlays for $35 on eBay or amazon and they actually have decent reviews.
Brown or black binding? That's easy. It's so they can get more fingerboards out of less wood.

Epiphone's move to China hasn't been "recent" they opened the Quindao plant in 2002.
http://www.epiphone.com/news-featur...ingdao-factory-all-epiphone-all-the-time.aspx
 

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Yeah well i guess 2002 is recent to me haha. I just remembered seeing made in indonesia or korea on epis. The years just kinda blur together anymore. The Baldwin plant has been making Chinese Gibsons since at least the 90s.
If your saying it's actually cost cutting to attach a 1/16" strip of plastic down the fretboard than just cut the maple to the correct size I'll take it. I could see if it was rosewood or ebony but the extra labor involved, even at 1¢ a piece China wages seems impractical.
 

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You see the craze that having neck binding on a guitar brings ? It's a bling thing that people are willing to pay for. Seem to make the guitar so much more desirable. But it plays the same ...
 

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Yeah well i guess 2002 is recent to me haha. I just remembered seeing made in indonesia or korea on epis. The years just kinda blur together anymore. The Baldwin plant has been making Chinese Gibsons since at least the 90s.
If your saying it's actually cost cutting to attach a 1/16" strip of plastic down the fretboard than just cut the maple to the correct size I'll take it. I could see if it was rosewood or ebony but the extra labor involved, even at 1¢ a piece China wages seems impractical.
Ahh, I thought we were talking about one similar to this
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Not one of these guys
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On the lighter fretboard, I'd guess they were going for a contrast thing. Dark board, light binding; light board, dark binding.

I tend not to pay too much attention to the Maestro line.
 

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Edit: Sorry OP for getting off topic!

^Actually that's supposedly the same guitar. Someone added a pickup. I'm glad you posted that since i wanted to know what it would look like. The baked maple can be light or dark, but definitely lightens with age/dryness. According to the literature, the guitars have a baked maple fretboard but looking at a cross section of mine I'd swear it was rosewood. It is dark. You can also barely see the binding on mine(see.attachments); I didn't even notice it for several days.
I don't expect anyone to pay attention to the maestro line unless you're a guitar teacher or there's something wrong with you like myself. But hey, I guess someone has to do it. The guitar is still a Gibson-made SG. Maestro only makes 3 electrics: SG Jr ("Double cutaway"), LP Jr ("single cutaway") and a mini flying V. AFAIK that's it right now for electrics, but they did put out several other guitars under this nameplate. I stumbled upon a blue quilt top Maestro LP custom from Japan. Actually a very nice guitar, so at some point they had a higher product line available overseas. The Gibson Baldwin plant made several electric guitars a few years back, including LP ("Epoch") and SG copies but were branded Baldwin/Gibson music education on the neck plate and I guess they realized they already had Epiphone for that. The Maestro "by Gibson" line is solely for marketing. They only started putting a "by Gibson" truss rod cover on recently it seems. The lesson DVD shows a dark cherry SG with 1 ply pick guard with only "maestro" on the headstock. Epiphone is not a household name but Gibson is. Same thing with Fender "music man" series (not quite a squier) a few years ago. I had to register my guitar through Gibson because they don't even list Maestro as a brand. They're cheap ass guitars. Christ I got mine for $52 on black Friday. MSRP is only like $160 and if you look on walmart.com you can see the price is vastly different depending on color (the tobacco burst is new, and i have to admit I'm tempted) That's the point of all this. I'm not a pro but I like to have a guitar to strum on. I like to improve things. I originally planned on just using the SG body but I really do like the neck. I was just at my local shop yesterday playing Gibson and epi SGs and even though I could buy any of them, I prefer my mod project to make something one of a kind. Oddly, the only guitar with a similar neck to my Maestro was a BC Rich Kerry King warlock.

The cheapest guitars can have binding, just look at these necks on eBay. It obviously saves money in lumber as mentioned or there would be no point in binding other than bling. I may actually order one of the eBay necks for $35 just to check it out up close. https://m.ebay.com/itm/Electric-Gui...ts-Maple-Rosewood-22-Fret-Black-/362020311411
But look at the pics of my binding. Seems kind of pointless if it were for looks, no? But also seems to be a PITA to install. I'm tempted to stick some black dot or block inlays to match.
 

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I suppose it could be a way to prevent fret sprout and avoid doing much finishing work on the fret ends.
 

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I suppose it could be a way to prevent fret sprout and avoid doing much finishing work on the fret ends.
I don't know about that, that's fret over binding. If the neck dried a bit more you'd have the same issues would you not?
 

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WARNING: RANT
The following is NOT meant as a personal attack. It's intended merely as a general observation with some venting about some recent comments.

What is it with some people and bevels? You say how you think €pi is going "more Gibson-like" while some other guy gripes about how modern Gibby's ain't got good bevels anymore...... :facepalm:

Who's playing the blasted bevels?! It ain't like ₱√¢¡™ nibs where it can possibly affect the playability! (Though you'll notice that €pi don't play that game.)

Don't like 'em don't buy 'em! Or take a file and a friggen' pencil sharpener to 'em! I, for one, don't care and don't want to hear about it!

If it feels good, plays well and clicks with me, I'll buy it. If not, I won't, but the last bloody thing I care about is the 2.17459° or whatever difference between an old Gibby and and a new €pi (or Gibby for that matter).

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END RANT

Sorry, back to the topic at hand. It's nice to see some Worns with binding again, though any issues in King Henry's kingdom probably have less of an impact out in the Epiphone Hinterlands. It will be interesting to see how the $500+ million debt gets settled and if current ownership / management remains in place.

:cheers:
For someone who doesn't care, you sure care a lot!:D
 

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I don't know about that, that's fret over binding. If the neck dried a bit more you'd have the same issues would you not?

Well, tang sprout, anyway. Look at all the cheap Squiers with tangs sticking out. This would be an easy way to make the Baldwins feel better while adding maybe 1 cent to the cost, seeing as it's all automated now anyway.
 

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I refuse to fight about bevels. Nibs is what I like to fight about. I like 'em!!!!:thumb:
PS: The OP guitar is a very pretty looking SG.
 

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I refuse to fight about bevels. Nibs is what I like to fight about. I like 'em!!!!:thumb:
PS: The OP guitar is a very pretty looking SG.
I like the cherry ones, but they have no place on my fretboard.
 

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Logan mentioned that Lefty G-400 on sweetwater now seem to have binding.


I just a Left-handed G-400 pro in early December and mine has no binding. (not from sweetwater but a store in Canada)

I really liked the binding on a Les Paul that I was also considering; it was a 'Heritage cherry sunburst' and the binding meshed well with the colors.

However, I much prefer the SG without binding, because the cream color doesn't go with the rest of the guitar, at all.
I think it's a very minor detail either way but, it's not something that fits of just any model, imo.
 


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